As-salaamu `alaykum wa rahmatullaah
Many times, people ask “What is the best Institute in Cairo for learning Arabic?” and I always respond, “Well, it depends on you! What are you looking for?!”
Every institute and centre has something unique to offer. It may surpass others in a particular field for example,
- In finance (dead cheap!)
- In structure (excellent programs)
- In content covered (grammar specialisation or conversational?)
- In location (right in the centre of town! Or perhaps in your backyard..)
- Or simply in reputation (hey, everyone is talking about it so it must be good!)
If we look at how things were about 10-15 years ago, there was hardly a single centre in Cairo where students from abroad can attend and study Arabic well, then it all bloomed. In fact, Al-Fajr Institute which was established around about 1995 had only a handful of students, it now caters for 2000+ every year from 77 different countries. This is the same story for a lot of other places too and personally I believe it’s due to nothing more than the blessed revival happening around the world resulting in people flocking to the Deen of Allah and returning to studying and properly seeking knowledge (which begins with learning Arabic!)
Due to this, there are now about 7 or 8 institutes in Nasr City, Cairo alone with 3 or 4 them being big names (i.e. popular with students from the west). We have the likes of al-Fajr Center, al-Ibanah, al-Dewan Center and the newly established Cairo Institute to name a few.
What happened to Qortoba Institute?!
Those of you who’ve lived in Cairo know that originally there was al-Fajr, and then Qortoba was established by one of the Co-founders of al-Fajr. These 2 centers were brilliant mashaa’Allah, and well co-ordinated as they both offered something unique to the students e.g. I believe Qortaba had more flexibility in their timetable while al-Fajr had the rigidity for serious students. I don’t know the full story of what happened, but recently Qortoba Inst. in Cairo was shut down and only the Alexandria branch remains open. I pray for their success and the success of every beneficial inst.
Ok, so the question remains… how do the Institutes differ?
Books
Most of the centers currently use al-Kitab al-Asasi (e.g. Cairo Inst. & al-Ibanah). Other Inst. have switched to using more ‘user-friendly’ books as I call them (i.e. they have more pictures, colours and other intuitive aspects) like al-Arabiyyatu Bayna Yadayk.
What is important for you as a student is to actually find out what exactly you wish to gain from your studies. By that I mean, are you grammar/sarf orientated? (i.e. do you wish to study the Sciences of the language from the word go?) Or do you want to boost your reading, writing and speaking first?
Method of teaching
All the centers incorporate aspects of reading, writing, speaking, listening etc into their courses. Some might focus on a particular aspect more-so than others.
Since switching their core syllabus from Kitab al-Asasi to Bayna Yadayk, the very teaching method of al-Fajr center changed. They now dedicate a lot of time to getting students to speak, and understand Arabic from the 1st step and as a result, grammar is introduced gradually (in Level 3 of their 11 levels). Al-Ibanah and Cairo Institute on the other hand have grammar taught from the 1st level which leaves conversational aspects as a gradual progress. Al-Ibanah is probably the most grammar-orientated institute out of the whole lot if I’m not mistaken.
Personally, I prefer the method taken by al-Fajr Center for a number of reasons:
1. Building your vocab, understanding text and being able to read and write efficiently is the very core of learning new languages (and becoming fluent).
2. It’s no use treading down the traditional route of just rolling off grammatical formulae e.g. fa’ala, fa’aloo, fa’altu, etc as this route was designed primarily for those that already understand Arabic – so they can grasp this without a problem. It makes no sense to learn the nitty gritty details of Arabic grammar from the get-go if the student can’t even understand the sentences they are reading! To be very strong in grammar, you have to fully understand the text. Sometimes, the grammatical function or position of a word cannot be found except with the meaning of the sentence. This is why Fajr center put the initial effort in building the students’ understanding of Arabic first (levels 1 & 2) before grammar immersion.
3. A lot of students, when bombarded with grammar are sadly put off continuing their Arabic (ask anyone who took this route and they dread grammar!). This is unfortunate because grammar opens up numerous doors of understanding – especially if one wishes to continue reading books in Fiqh, ‘uloom al-Qur’aan etc. However this disheartenment can be avoided if grammar/sarf/balagha are approached at a good pace and after some establishment of understanding and reading. Trust me; you do not want to fry your brain cells with rules upon rules before building some good foundation.
4. Learning how to speak re-enforces your usage of vocab and builds your application of the language.
And there more, but that’s the gist of it
So really think about what it is you want to improve on. If you have a good foundation in reading, writing and perhaps even understanding then you could do very well in any of the institutes, especially al-Ibanah and Cairo Inst. If you require building some good ground first and pick up on conversation then either al-Fajr or Dewan might be for you.
However, I must stress that whichever Center you go to and complete, you’ll end up learning the same amount of Arabic Sciences. Speaking-wise you might be more fluent in some institutes as opposed to others. But in all, each place has alhamdulillah very good systems in place.
Danger!
The no.1 thing to avoid (and seriously, I can’t say this enough), is to avoid jumping from institute to institute and moving from center to center in an attempt to find the one that’s ‘just right for you’. This can have disastrous affects on your learning and you’ll fall behind a lot.
Why? Every school has a working system that takes you from point A to B, and it is ensured by the Administration that you cover all essential material along the way.
If you move from say al-Ibanah in Level 3 (because you found out they’re the most expensive) and try to join Dewan Level 3 (to think they all follow the same grading system is a big misconception anyway), they’ll assess you and may find you are lacking a certain criteria of their Level 2. So they put you back one level.
You get frustrated after a month and decide to move to al-Fajr. They assess you and find your speaking is not that good, so back you go to level 1!
You can’t take it anymore and decide to go back to al-Ibanah where they resume you to your Level 3 again – having wasted your money & precious time (and of course tired out those brain cells), and what for?! Imagine had you stayed with your primary center you’d have been perhaps on Level 6 by now.
I’ve seen this happen with so many people and the fact is, students always seem to return to their 1st center after having gone in circles. Avoid doing that. Try your best to choose the center/institute for you and then stick with it till the end insha’Allah (unless of course a meteorite hits it, or worse; it’s shut down).
Jazak’Allaahu khair for this useful information! Abu ‘Anas (Tariq) the founder and owner of al-Qortoba still lives and teaches (private classes) in Cairo, whilst running his centre in Alexandria. I believe the Cairo branch was shut down on the grounds of licensing, but perhaps it will re-open soon? Some of the teachers who used to teach Qortoba started an Arabic wing at Technia. Ustadh Ramadan is the main point of contact there.
Masha’Allah, v beneficial sis.
So the long and short of it is…Fajr is recommending al-Fajr
Jazak Allah for this beneficial post.
Nice to see you share your views about studying arabic with us. It’s always refreshing to hear what you think about certain things!
Personally I also rate Fajr centre, solely for the reason that they do not dive right into grammar but rather take a wiser approach by making you feel comfortable in speaking the language first, then learning the technicalities of each word that’s being used.
Wa iyyaakum
Baarak’Allahu feek Abu ‘Uthman, I really hope Qortoba re-opens, they had a lot to offer. Where is Technia?
Umm313, hayyakillah sis. Well, personally al-Fajr did it for me (for that reason, I may be a little biased) but of course, for other students they study better with other centers – so alhamdulillah we have a good choice across spectrum.
But let it be known, I was Fajr before I even knew an al-Fajr Center existed
Yes, yes, the stories and jokes never stop… lol
Mu7aaribah! If this wasn’t such a public blog (and I wasn’t so nice) I’d write about you guys you know, and everything you got upto! Hehe, or maybe you can do the honours and put a smile on our faces
I have to admit, you guys were so fun to be with (except of course, when we’d land in trouble hmm…)
thanks sis your blogs are always informative and beneficial
sis did you already know arabic before hand? and how long does it take for a person to understand books in arabic and how long does it take to fully understand nahwa? (in your prospective)
Asalam mu alaikum wr wb. Benefical stuff. Studying in Cairo also and visting a fair amount of centers. I would agree with sticking to one place. Personally I think its about catching one of the “old” more experienced teachers. There is about 4 or 5 teachers who either taught at Qordoba or Fajr and left to do start their own markaz’s. These teachers I feel one can excell best with.
Personally I went to markaz Bayan, a less well known markaz but the teacher there called Muhammed Hassan. MashAllah one of the best teachers I have ever had. Just a shame im so bloomin lazy!
I don’t think I knew much, just the basics of reading/writing (and the names of the colours!), but it didn’t matter much, I was still put into level 1. The time length it takes for a person to get accustomed to the language depends on the person’s effort and practise. Some people are able to grasp languages very quickly (especially those that are bi-lingual already), for others they need more time and practise.
On average I’d say 6-10 months of studying on a daily basis (say 3-5 hrs a day) is enough to get good ground. But it really does depend on each person’s dedication…
Jazak’Allahu khayran Abu Emaan for your input. As they say, اسأل الخبير ولا تسأل الطبيب – nothing has it like experience.
jzakallahu khayrun ukhti
when you have time please post up info about apartments and what districts are best to live in etc.
jazakallahu gair for this info, i am also planning to study in cairo, inshaAllahtaAla, but i have an problem, i do not have any idea of the amount of money i need to save to study for like 1 year in cairo, is there anyone here who can advise me in this one? ( i am from holland).
I am from England and I spent altoghter £3.600 in a year.
But I bhought quite a few books.
Yes, book-buying is an important part of the equation, as the books are going to be your constant companions for the rest of your life. They’re going to be the tools that you are going to be operating with. Initially, I’d say, you should budget for all the essential books, and then take it from there. Students often buy books that they feel they might be able to study with a teacher or two back home, as a way of continuing and keeping their Arabic and Islamic studies alive.
Wa iyyakum
Insha’Allah, it’s in the plans. Keep watch for any updates.
Wow, that’s a lot for Cairo! Although I have to admit, apartment prices have gone up a lot in past 2 years, if you avoid signing any tenancy agreement in the summer, you could get a much cheaper contract (from late April to mid-Sept). I guess the only things that really rinse one’s wallet are rent and Arabic fees (centers or private tuition), if you could save some money on that, then you’ve pretty much managed your finance well.
I agree with Ibn Uthman regarding buying books, barakallahu feek.
Jazakillah for the information sister. What do you think of the Winter/Summer intensive courses at Fajr center? How much benefit can a student expect to gain from these courses and how many of the 11 levels are covered in the timeframe?
Asalamu alaykum warahmatullaah,
I love your blog Masha’Allaah, may Allaah reward you Immensely, Aameen. I was at Cairo Institute and they use kitaabul Assasia, I like their method, they are very instense, you can finish a book in about a month (50 hours) per book. Sadly I had to return to the UK to start University. Insha’Allaah I intend to study with them. When I get the money of course lol. Has anyone ever studied arabic online? Also with Cairo Institute they would never say a word in English, which was good but also difficult if you didn’t grasp something. How do people manage to kinda ‘work out’ what the teacher was saying? Espically in advance Nahw and Sarf?
Wa iyyaakum
They’re pretty good if you’re ok with doing more hours. I did the summer intensive at one point, it takes place in the Arab Open University (which has a/c!), about 10mins from the main center. The classes last from 8am to 1pm, but honestly, I don’t think it’s very intensive (only the heat is!). You cover the same material but at a faster pace. The summer intensive has two programs:
Ibn ‘Aqeel program: A duration of 2 months and you cover 3 levels
Sibaweyh 1: Lasts one month (takes place on beginning of summer)
Sibaweyh 2: Also lasts one month (end of summer). Both of the Sibaweyh programs cover 1 and half levels.
In winter they have the equivalent Ibn Hisham program, which also lasts a month (covering 1.5 levels).
Usually, students enrol on the normal Arabic program during the year and when summer or winter comes in, they move to the intensives to get ahead a little. The only downside to these intensives are the prices – they’re pretty expensive (Ibn Aqeel stands at about £250+)
Alhamdulillah, this is the good thing about studying abroad… you’re forced to speak Arabic otherwise, you’re going nowhere!
Gradually you do start to work things out though – one of the amazing capabilities of the human intellect, “And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.” [30:22] By the time a student engages in advanced nahw/sarf, they should be understanding arabic quite well insha’Allah.
Jazakillaah khayr for your response. How long did it take you to learn arabic fluently and can you also speak 3miyyaah as good as Fus’ha?
Technia is in a street just over the road from Masjid as-Salaam at:
66 شارع محمد مقلد – الحى الثامن
And you can phone them on:
00 20 (0)222750618
Well, the question is… am I fluent?!
I think not ukhti… quite a way to go yet! And my ‘aamiyyah is terrible, so terrible in fact that sometimes it’s just fus-ha with my very own twists 
Jazak’Allahu khayran Abu ‘Uthman, sounds like it’s right near my house! Are they an Arabic-only Institute then?
Originally they were just a school teaching sciences and IT, etc. When Qortoba closed down many of the teachers moved to Technia since they had a licence to teach Arabic, so Ustadh Ramadan set up the Arabic department there, many of the teachers used to work at Qortoba.
salaam alaiki ukhti,
I came across this blog of yours just today and praises be to Allah. I was perhaps looking for something exactly like this.
I come from Bangladesh. I recently started studying arabic by myself and have some foundational knowledge. I can read arabic texts to some extent without haraakat (with fumbles obviously). I have memorized half of the matn al-ajuroomiyah and now trying to memorize more words in order to excel in my study. I am saying this to let you know where I stand right now.
I have decided to pursue my study further in Cairo after one year insha’Allah. This one year I would like to continue my self study and improve more in Arabic. Then in the next year I wish to come to Cairo and join an arabic institute and learn arabic further. Eventually I wish to join al-Azhar by the end of 2009.
Having said all these, I have the following questions ukhti:
1. Do you see any flaw in my plan? please advise then.
2. Which of the institutes is the cheapest? I may get married insha’Allah by this time and in that case wish to bring my wife as well. I am not the richest person on earth biidhnillah. So a cheaper institute would be better.
3. This question might seem silly but is it true that muslim males with beard face trouble in Egypt? I am hearing conflicting stuffs regarding this issue. please clarify.
4. please post any other advice that you think i should know.
ukhti please help your brother in islam regarding these queries. I need these advices badly. Anyone else reading this mail and having experience in this regard can write up as well.
barakallahu feek
As-Salamu ‘Alaikum, inshaa’Allah all is well with you. Sis I (also) have a couple of queries which I was hoping you could help me with, is It realistic to assume one is able to complete the full 11 levels of Arabic? As I was recently advised one is only able to complete upto 6/7 levels? Also studying at Fajr for one year, how much can be achieved, I mean how fluent will one be in the language, bi’ithnillaah. Jazzaakillaahu Khayraa’. X
Wa `alaykumasalaam wa rahmatullaah
Alhamdulillah you seem to have a steady plan, but if you have two years scheduled out, then you might even become quite fluent before then.
Since you’re studying the Ajroomiyah and I assume learning arabic already, then I’d probably advice that you increase your learning (pick it up with a teacher too) so that when you do go to Cairo, you can skip most of the levels and just do the advanced courses (which take about 3 months). Then you could even enrol at the major universities and do an Arabic Literature degree or the like.
The only potential flaw is trying to get into Azhar by 2009. Although it might be possible, Azhar has a few rules, incl. the fact that you have to have completed their 3yrs of high school (or the like) before entering for a degree. These 3 yrs cover some Qur’an (hifdh), hadeeth, fiqh, arabic and other Islamic Sciences. They also expect a few texts memorised by heart (e.g. 40 al-Nawawi)
Unfortunately, Azhar has a few problems like having a terrible administration system (like my friend, you can end up going round and round in circles just to enrol) so I’d say try and check things out properly for yourself when you get to Cairo and if you still wish to enrol in the university, then get started on enrolment asap (as it can take some time).
If you don’t wish to go through the 3yrs pre-kulliyah, then there is an exam you can take to see if you’re able to pass straight onto uni-level. Some people have been known to skip the first 1 or 2 years of the high school, but I’ve yet to come across anyone who’s managed to skip all 3.
I guess they’re all pretty cheap if you do their normal programs (about £30-40 a month), things just get a little pricey if you decide to go for intensives/private-study and whole packages (e.g. accomodation/pickups). Although I’m not 100% sure, I think currently Cairo Institute is the cheapest – be warned, it might be a different story next year!
I’m not a bearded brother, but I think it’s safe to say that insha’Allah nothing will happen to you! There are stories that go around (some are true), but you know, so long as you mind your own business and do what you came to do of studies, then I don’t see why anyone would give you any hassle. There are by the way, many bearded brothers in Cairo alhamdulillah so it’s not a rarity, and you’ll be safe, don’t worry.
Wa iyyaaki sis
Erm, not sure if I understood this well! It’s definitely not unrealistic completing the 11 levels… many are able to do it alhamdulillah, but it just takes some time.
In one year, assuming that one starts in level 0 and spends 12 months studying in the normal program, then I think they’ll be able to complete about 8 levels. Usually it takes just over a year to do all levels.
However, I’m sure if you do an intensive once or twice then you could complete all 11 levels in one year (making sure not to fail a single level!)
Fluency again depends on a person’s effort, I’d say one year is enough insha’Allah for you to gain some of what you require of the sciences and carry on with it when you leave.
salaam alaik,
sister shukran jazeelan for all that you said.
I am also aware of the preschooling of Azhar. Thats why I wanted to take time till the end of 2009. I have been informed that enrollment start in al-Azhar during October. Correct me if i am wrong.
The way I look at it is that whether I can skip the preschooling (to whatever extent) or not, either way its khair insha’Allah. It wont be bad to spend some more time studying the deen before entering into the university level. One ustadh of mine told me that one should not hurry in the path of ‘ilm.
another ‘cheap’ question to end with. what can the cheapest housing (for a couple) in cairo cost monthly? and what is the average apartment cost? ok thats 2 question.
Sorry for the inconvenience sis. These are the last questions for the time being.
I was considering studying at the Fajr institute in Cairo, and was in general encouraged by views on their quality from around the internet, until I came across this: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/uploads/Turning_the_light_on_the_Fajr_Center.doc
Issues of Aqeedah aside, are the points of negativity raised steeped in reality, or not?
To be honest, now, I will probably go for the Qasid centre in Amman, though it is a lot more expensive. Does anyone here have experience of studying at this institute?
Islamic brothers here in my locality in the UK seem to regard Syria as the region par excellence and second to none in terms of gaining knowledge in Islamic studies and classical Arabic. I have not been able on the internet, however, to notice anything particularly reputable, is there such a place?
Jazkaallahukhaair sister for you insight, very much appreciated! I actually am planning on attending one of these institutes this summer. Do you know how I should prepare for this experience (especially since I’ve never been away for home—especially with the intention of being away for a year or so).
Perhaps another blog post? or you can email me.
Jazakallahukhair and May Allah Bless you in all your efforts, pardon your shortcomings, and accept you into the highest of Jannah. Ameen.
Shukrun wa Baraak Allaahu Feekii for your reply. And I apologize for the confused Q. It’s just I have the intention of completing the full 11 levels, and had assumed I would be able to within a year, untill I was told different!
Could I just ask what is covered in the level 2, as I am studying Arabic at present and would like to gain as much knowledge of it before I go… Bi’ithnillaah.
Egypt for the past few years has had massive inflation rates especially when in housing/accomodation. Nowadays, a decent fully-furnished 2-bedroom apartment costs about £200 a month on average (3/4yrs ago it was about £50-£80). You can however find cheaper flats for about £90-100 a month but they tend to be of course less-plush and you have to know who to go to and where to look for them.
Berachia ukhti, reading that article was really disheartening, and a great injustice from the authors. I don’t understand why they feel the need to constantly rip apart their fellow brothers without looking at the good they have brought (and to be honest, this is not the first time – not many people are safe from their tongues subhan’Allah).
Fair enough, they can disagree with some stuff at the centers but there has to be balance and justice here.
Apart from the fact that the article is quite old (I’d ask that they date the article) and not many points are relevant any more – one point that I’ll probably agree with are the prices. Everything is business nowadays in Egypt especially Arabic centers – it opened up a niche in the market and was very successful in that, so of course people and organisations will take advantage of that. However, the article makes it out like all the teachers (of all people) are just money-hungry and do not give a care for what they teach, which is a lie and just plain wrong. I wonder why they didn’t mention al-Ibanah which is more expensive than al-Fajr? I reserve my thoughts on the matter. I believe for most of the part the article is definitely outdated and they need to take it down.
Sister, to be honest there are patches in every institute and center all over the world, of course not everyone can be pleased. However, I’d ask you to keep researching and if possible, to actually take a trip and see the country of your choice before settling down. I wouldn’t be bothered by this article…
Yeah, it’ll probably be a blog post! For a person born and bred in Western countries, he/she may find it a little uneasy settling in, but I’m sure it won’t be too bad insha’Allaah. Sometimes it’s hard adjusting to the water, weather and perhaps the very nice attitude of the Egyptian people! Life in Cairo wouldn’t be the same without them now would it
Erm you’d do a lot of reading, writing and speaking. As for grammar, then they’ll only really introduce it and then get more into into in the next levels.
If you want to complete the 11 levels in one year I’d suggest something along these lines:
1. Try to gain enough of the Arabic now so that you can skip levels 0, 1 and 2 when you get to the centers
2. Don’t fail any of your exams in any of the modules
3. Try to boost up with an intensive at summer and again in winter (which will push you ahead with about 5 levels)
If you have the intention of completing the 11 levels in one year, then insha’Allah, Allaah will grant you tawfeeq and you’ll do it. Just plan well and study hard
Waffaqakillahu lima yuhibbu wa yardha.
sister Fajr, Jazakillahu Khair
As-Salamu ‘Alaykum
Sister, could you tell me how much it would cost at al-fajr to study privately 1-to-1 with a teacher?
and how much would it cost per month for food if someone was going to eat at home?
Asif, wa iyyaak khayran
Khalid, I forgot how much it costs to have private classes (I never took one with the center), I’ll post it up if I remember… or if anyone else knows, please share.
Food usually costs about £20-30 a month if you’ll be cooking/eating at home and shopping from main stores like Mahmal, Spinneys, Awlad Rajab etc (that’s roughly the costs for me, but then again I don’t eat a lot!). When I was with my family we were spending about £60-90 a month on food, so it’s alright alhamdulillah, not too expensive.
Wow, look at this Q&A session with Sister Fajr. Go easy on her people, she is very busy person – even if she shows no objection, still go easy on her!
By the way Fajr, feel free to write a post about ‘What not to do in Cairo’ or ‘ I came to study Arabic in Cairo but fun got the better of me’ and dedicate it to me. I really wouldn’t mind! – Mind you, learning Arabic was the primary benefit of my stay in Egypt. Everything else comes secondary, and so forth!
asalaam alaikom…im from england going to egypt in 2 days bi idnillah. ive never studied arabic in an institute, howver, through arabs living in the area i can now speak quite fluent lebanese and egyption dialects, so i started reading on grammer and have picked quite alot of grammer rules. now ive noticed no one has mentioned alexandria as a place of study when theres corodoba institute there, and alot os shuyuukh who teach there, plus its cheap accommodation ive been quoted £50 a decent flat per month… so im thinkin of hittin alex..has anyone got any views on alex as viable place…
Jazakillahu khayran Mu7aaribah
Don’t tempt me ya ukhtaa, I just might do it!
From seeing sheep riding in the boots of cars to our unstoppable horses in the desert (I still can’t believe you decided to fix your hijab with your horse running at that speed!), hmm I think there’s plenty of things to write about and dedicate to you sweethart!
Hey, what happened to your blog?!
I’ve heard many good things about Alex and although I haven’t been there, if I had the chance, I would probably check it out more. It’s definitely cheaper and they have al-Qortoba there masha’Allah (not to forget the beautiful vast sea!)
Fajr, any thoughts on Sibawayh Center? Its newer and I’m thinking of going there. Their 1-on-1, 5-hour/day intensive course is only $400/month. Any thoughts?
I haven’t heard of this center before (as you said, it’s new), but looking through their site, it looks very good: http://www.sibawayhcenter.com/sibawayh/
$400 for 5 hrs a day private study is quite rare masha’Allah.
http://www.sibawayhcenter.com/sibawayh/content/view/37/59/ – I’m actually going to look into this and some of the other courses they have running… jazak’Allahu khayran for bringing it to my attention!
Asalamu 3laykum wara7matullaahi wabarakatu7
I wanted to ask how long have you been studying arabic? And have you studied Nahw wa sarf bas or balagha too?
Wa `alaykumusalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh
I’ve been studying it on and off for about 2 – 3 years now. We studied all three nahw, sarf and balagha but I need to go back and complete my studies insha’Allah, particularly in balagha and adab as I only did a relatively small portion of it.
As-Salamu ‘alaykum
So sister did you manage to find out about the cost of private lessons at fajr?
Jazakillahu khayran
Wa `alaykumusalaam wa rahmatullah
A friend of mine just informed me that the prices in Madinat al-Nasr branch have gone up to $300 (about £150) from its previous $250 (£125) per level. As far as I know, the group classes still remain at $85 (£42) a level.
Jazakiallahu khayran sis
Wa iyyaaka
Btw, another friend of mine said that semi-private classes (like 2 students etc) is $150 a level and group classes have been raised to $95 a level.
as salaamu alaykum
Which institute do you think is best for someone who would be spending 1-2 months there?
Wa `alaykumusalaam wa rahmatullaah
Any institute that offers intensive classes really (if you want to get the most out of the 1-2 months you’re better off with intensive or private). Try the new Sibawayh center mentioned above, maybe they can tailor a class according to your time/needs insha’Allah
Salaam, me and 3 other friends are going to study at the fajr institure for a month intensive and was wondering what you would suggest for accomodation? whats the cheapest/best option if theres 4 of us?
jazakAllah
Wa `alaykumusalaam
If you know anyone currently in Egypt, maybe try to get them to secure an apartment for the 4 of you – I’m not sure if you can get 1-month contracts easily.
If not, then you’ll have to go through an Institute – it’s the expensive option (say about £300-400 a month), but less hassle and can be done in short space (also you can perhaps share the rent out).
There are some hotels around, but if you’re just going for the month intensive, perhaps it’s not the wisest thing to keep moving around, I’d advice you to stay at one place & focus on your studies insha’Allah.
Accomodation is the hardest one thing to sort out when abroad, mainly because it’s hard to manage things unless you’re there in the country, waffaqakallaah!
Asalaamu ‘alaykum
This approach is encouraged by Dr. Mamdouh Mohammad, a PH.D in Arabic. He has published books that teaches Arabic and it is used in many countries. He always says first increase vocabulary then and have very little teaching of grammer. In advanced stages have a lot of grammer and sentences the people could understand.
Wa `alaykumusalam
Yeah I believe most teachers recommend this route because it’s the easiest way to understand languages in general.
Are the books of Dr. Mamdouh still used by the Open College/University (LOC & AOU)? I remember scan-reading through a friend’s copy and it looked quite good mashaa’Allah.
Assalamulaykum,
I would recommend http://www.iesh.org for any one serious in wanting to study arabic.(click english option on bottom left to change language) This institute was set up sheikh Yusuf Al Qardawi president of The European Council Of Fatawa and Research. http://www.e-cfr.org/en/
Ask to learn more!
wishing you all the best!
Asalamu 3laykum wara7matullaah,
You mentioned somewhere above that it takes about 6/7 months of doing 3-5 hours a day to get to good grounds. Is it 3-5 hours a daym 7 days a week? or 5, 4? Would you say 10 hours a week (2 hrs a day for 5 days a week) is sufficient to get to good grips if studied for a year at this pace? (When I say good grips, I mean alos have a moderate understanding of balagha, be good at nahw and sarf?) Or perhaps I am too optimistic lol.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Shifa, a friend went to the European Institute for her Arabic and Tajweed lessons… masha’Allah I have to say, her level of spoken Arabic is very high considering this is situated in Europe!
I’ve had a browse through their Qur’aan tahfeedh/Ijazah system but it doesn’t say whether it’s open to brothers and sisters? Can you perhaps elaborate on the application process as well as things like accomodation and holidays?
Buthaynah, no sis, it’s not too far-fetched (or too optimistic)!
I was estimating based on studying 5 days a week, and yeah for sure if you study 2 hours a day (5 days a week), then a year is more than enough insha’Allah, provided that your study is continuous and not broken up.
But again, as with most things, this varies from person to person depending on their capabilities, strength of intellect, dedication etc (you may easily reach your aim within 6 months if you’re committed!)
Jazakillahu khayran
Jazaakumullaahu khayra katheera for an informative blog.
Have you guys seen this thread? http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=14&Topic=372
Any comments would be much appreciated.
Is there anyone that is safe from the slander of salafi talk net?! Honestly, one has to study at fajr centre to really know what its like there…
^ That’s what I said too! But it seems that the khubaraa’ at SalafiTalk need to shed some ‘light’ on everything wallahul Musta’aan.
That thread along with the article is more than 6 years old. A lot has changed since then, and the current situation with Cairo’s many Arabic centers also need to be taken into consideration.
If someone is serious about finding out about any university, institute, center etc, then really they need to go for a visit and find out for themselves. An article based on 1 person’s experience (good or bad) is not enough, you’d need to get more than a few statements from a pool of students – go for tawaatur! Sometimes yes, a person has a bad experience but that doesn’t mean it’s the university at fault, sometimes the student may be at fault. I remember a few times, some of my friends whom I’ve studied with (in the science/medical field) would complain about minute stuff and then end up taking a grudge against the teacher and the whole school/university – to this day I’m still baffled! They say they had bad experiences when in contrast I would have a good time in my studies – Qaddarallah, I guess sometimes there’s no tawfeeq between things for an individual, who may have certain expectations that aren’t met.
One time I wanted to enrol in a certain institute for Shari’ah Sciences but I kept hearing various things about it, so I thought forget all this, I’m going to look for myself! So I put a list of questions together, rang my friend and we went straight to the institute, sat down with the Head and went through everything in detail (I even checked out all the classrooms, exam dates, timetables and met some of the students lol).
All I can say is alhamdulillah, it was a good experience – if you’re serious about things, always find out for yourself primarily and don’t heavily rely on other people’s perspectives.
Sis is it better to actually do an entire year then going every summer?
Also can you actually go into more detail about the bads/goods now of your first 11 month programme. & dont forget what he wrote
‘when you have time please post up info about apartments and what districts are best to live in etc.’
Also how are you able sort of preserve the lang/vocab/grammar when your back? Considering someone’s going uni .. do you feel that you tend to forget because you do read books but you don’t communicate etc?barakallahufeeeeki
does ya fink iz beeeeeta 2 to do a degreee like like in here on uni n maybeees a MA .. den go misr and burn.
??????? i mean gems n jewel autho never wnet egypt did she? she did a degreee in uni didnt she?
or u tink that studdddiin in an arabic contry is betta?
I only know one person, a friend of a friend, who is currently studying in Fajr so I am searching the net looking for other opinions on Fajr and Egypt in general.
Jazaakumullaahu khayra katheera
I do appreciate the time taken to address my questions.
I am going to post some links to a couple of the books that I have found beneficial in my pursuit to learn arabic on my blog In shaa Allaah. I cannot speak or read very well so some of these books may not be endorsed by the more experienced people posting here. Barakullaahu feekum
http://www.eesaa.wordpress.com
With studies, it’s better to do it all in one shot than taking lots of breaks. Especially with languages, it’s more efficient to do it continuously as a person tends to forget after taking a break. However, it’s hard to keep studying continuously if you need to leave the country – in such case they only thing left to do is keep coming back every summer or so.
Whatever’s feasible for you to do I’d say. A lot of the time, it’s not about what’s better (because going abroad to learn Arabic is better), rather it’s all about what’s available & what’s feasible for you – physically, financially, socially etc.
When I came back from abroad I went straight to uni and also started working part time. To be honest, it was quite difficult keeping my Arabic up and I knew I was on a one-way road to forgetting it lol. But before I left cairo, I purchased like a 100 books/kutayb and whilst going uni/work and in spare time I’d just read everything I bought along. Reading is definitely one of the best ways of improving your language. Communication-wise, yes it’s easy to forget your conversational skills – and you’ll need to find a way around it. I personally got a teacher for Qur’an who only spoke Arabic so we used to study and converse in fus-ha which helped. Otherwise your best shot is to listen to a lot of audios so that can act as part of your speaking/conversational skills.
Wa billahi-tawfeeq.
As-Salamu 3laykum
I wanted to go to fajr Institute next summer Inshallaah to do Arood and tajweed and was wondering, do I have to apply before hand now for these courses or can I go there and just register myself when I get there? Also it says that its $90 per level, is this for a group payment? Semi-group or private?
Thank you in advance.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Yes insha’Allah you can apply once you get there, just make sure to arrive a few days beforehand for enrolment.
The fees on the site are for group – it’s higher for semi-private and moreso for private.
as-salaamu’alaikum,
I would like to make email contact with some students or some former students of Fajr Institute In shaa Allaah.
My wife and I would like to study there In shaa Allaah
islamaustralia@live.com
How much $US do you think one would need to survive for one year whilst studying in Fajr?
Also, In shaa Allaah, how many chapters of Arabiyyah Bayna Yadayk to Fajr go through a term?
do* Fajr
Brother Eesaa, it’s quite difficult stating how much one would need, as it depends on what your needs actually are – e.g. it’s higher if you have a family or are renting more expensive apartments etc.
An individual can probably survive on £2000 a year excluding tuition fees, wallahu a’lam.
Markaz Fajr have changed their system since the last time I was there – I heard they now have more levels to complete so not sure how many chapters are covered per level. Last time I knew, they covered Book 1 over 2 levels, and Book 2 & 3 over 3 levels each. Then students moved on to other text for the higher levels.
as-salaamu’alaikum Fajr,
I was mainly after level costs. If I was to complete all levels, without fail, how much would tuition fees cost all up.
Jazaakillaahu khayran katheera for your time.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Apologies for the delay in replying, I’ve been tied up with travels. The levels at Fajr center are at $90 per level – there are currently 13 levels altogether, taking into account Level 0 which you can easily try to skip insha’Allah.
In shaa Allaah. May Allaah bless you and reward you!
What level did you start reading books?
Ameen, wa iyyakum jamee’an. I think I started reading my own Arabic books in level 4 or 5 of the old system, but not too sure.
So that is about 4 or 5 months into it, yes?
What books did you start reading with? and what dictonary were you using? Did you study the kitab asassi or al arabiyya bayna yadayk? shukran
It was roughly about 4-5 months yeah. I primarily studied from Bayna Yadayk series (with later coverage of some of the Kitab Asasi).
Hans Wehr dictionary is probably the best for English-Arabic, I bought a copy when I started reading my own Arabic books – mainly tafaseer, biographies, raqaa’iq and some of the Islamic sciences (‘uloom al-Qur’an). But of course, nothing too difficult in language, try to get the simpler ones first and then work your way up. I bought Tafseer al-Sa’di for this reason and alhamdulillah it was a great start.
Barakullaahu feekum wa Ramadan Mubarak!
This is a very exciting and helpful wordpress blog
Maa shaa Allaah
In the first 3 months of studying at Fajr, how much of Arabiyyah Bayna Yadayk do you cover?
I have been studying it with some brothers and maybe could get some benefit before going to Egypt (In shaa Allaah).
As-Salaamu’Alaikum
Is any (sister) on this blog planning on going to Cairo to study @ teh Fajr Centre anytime soon? InshaAllah.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Barakallahu feekum, Ramadhan Mubarak to all.
I believe they cover Book 1 and maybe some of Book 2 in the first 3 months (i.e. Levels 1, 2 and maybe 3). It’s definitely a good thing having a shot at the books before going abroad, who know you may even have enough Arabic at the end of it to skip those levels where they cover that particular material.
Sister Muslimah, there are quite a few sisters here studying at various centers so if you do come, drop me an email/comment and I can put you in touch with them insha’Allah.
May Allah assist you all in your learning. Ameen
As-Salaamu `Alaikum,
Sr.Fajr, do you know of any sisters who are perhaps planning on going to study at the Fajr Centre by Dec/Jan, inshaa’Allah. (UK)
…And may want to share accomodation?
Jazzakillaahu Khayrun.
Umm Mu’aadh.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
It’s difficult to say at the moment sister, students regularly come and go & so apartments free up at random times of the year. If you contact me nearer to the time insha’Allah I can say more for sure but at the moment, nothing guaranteed unfortunately.
If anyone is planning to come to Cairo, Egypt and needs accomodation/flatmates, you can use this blog to ask around/advertise insha’Allah, if it’ll help
. I know a couple of free apartments at the moment if anyone is on their way here and needs something fast.
Asalam alaikum
Am planning on going to study at al-fajr centre at the end of october 09 inshallah. If you can let me know of any sisters that r going.( im from south london),
Also what is the best area to live in cairo as a single sister?
jazakallahu khair
Jazzakillaahu Khayrun sis, inshaAllah will let you know closer to the time…
Asalamulaykum Sisters
I posted something earlier sis Umm Mu’aadh, I am thinking of going for the winter intensive course at Al-Fajr? I’m looking for other sisters that will be going too, so can share accommodation etc. When do you plan to go inshAllah?
First time today I am using this blog, I am not sure if there is a way for me to contact you personally and share the Cairo interest?
Masalama
Wa’Alaikumus-Salaam
Perhaps, Sr.Fajr can pass on my e-mail address to you, inshaa’Allah…
I’m actually planning on going in Dec/Jan, but for a year. Will you be going, just for the Winter Intensive?
Jazzakillaahu Khayrun. WasSalaam.
As-salaamu `alaykum sisters
I’ve emailed your contacts out, please check your inbox.
Hope it all goes well, wa billahi-tawfeeq.
`Alaikumus-Salaam wa Rahmatullah,
Jazzaakillaahu Khayrun sis!
If i want to come with my wife (no kids) to study arabic at fajr insititute for 1.5 years how much money (plz usa dollars) do i need?
IF person wants to apply to one of islamic universities in saudia arabia after completing the language program can people travel to saudi and apply one of the islamic universities? ive heard visas must be attained from your own country egypt is not issuing visas
looking for your responses
Salam,
Compared to The Madinah Book series, do Bayna Yadayk and kitabul Assassii, cover the same amount of Grammar.
And whats the difference between Bayna Yadayk and kitabul Assassii. Inshallah planning 2 do 1 year in egypt not sure which books 2 study.
And which ones would u recommend
Ibn Muhammad-Kitaabul Assassi covers alot of grammar, in my opinion much more than Madinah books, Vol 3 of Kitaabul Assassi is mainly Shi3r (poetry) so you can see how depth it is. Kitaabul Assassi has alot more vocabulary than Madinah books, however, Al-Arabiyyah bayna yadayk is more Islamic oriented. Having said that, it truly depends on the institute. For example I know one institute in Masr that teaches Qisas along with the Kitaabul Assassi to boost your Islamic knowledge. Most students who study Al-’Arabiyya bayna yadayk tend to move onto Kitaabul Assasi vol 3 to finish off their studies, so it indicates that its more advanced.
I hope that was somewhat helpful.
Sister Fajr, correct me if I’m mistaken for I personally have not studied Al’-arabiyyah bayna yadayk
Ubaida, it’s hard to say a rough estimate on finance as it differs from person to person. Tuition fees at Fajr center have increased to $95 per level for group classes and I think $250 per 75hours for private classes. In all there are about 13 levels to complete now (excluding Level 0) so I’d say about just over $1200 per person for group tuition providing you don’t repeat a level etc.
Other than tuition, the only other financial aspects of your stay would be rent, food, bills and general living costs – all are probably minimal except for rent (which can go upto $400-500 per month) and maybe food (~$60 per month approx?).
With regards to attaining visas to go to Saudi from Egypt, then I’ve heard the same thing as you have. Egypt is not very lenient when it comes to getting visas and people have tried getting ‘Umrah/Hajj visas in the past but to no avail, so it’s probably better, easier and faster to get it from your home country, wallahu a’lam.
Jazakillahu khayran ukht Ahlaam, yes you’re spot on
IbnMuhammad, as for what I would recommend, it’d probably be a mixture of all 3 books (and others). Each series has something more advanced than others as Ahlam mentioned.
I teach Madinah books and personally, I wouldn’t recommend them for total beginners – you would need some exposure to Arabic (however little) to fully benefit and appreciate the grammer covered even in Book 1 (e.g. the mamnoo’at/sarf). Al’-Arabiyyah bayna yadayk on the other hand would be good for someone just starting off but it’s not that great for the more advanced students (plus it’s all in Arabic, so tuition is a must).
Al-Kitab al-Asasi is really boring and the topics in the early levels puts students off big time – however, its volume 3 is brilliant (& interesting) and I would say it’s a must for the advanced students.
So depending on your level and interests, the books can serve you quite well at different stages. Perhaps you can speak to your current Arabic teachers and ask for their advice as they’ll know best your level and strong/weak points. If you’re coming to study at one of the institutes, you won’t really have a choice in the textbook you study unless you go private and do tailored classes.
Wow, you guys keep me busy on here! Just kidding
I ask Allah to grant you all true success in your studies and benefit you with ‘ilm nafi’ in this life and the Next. Ameen
I really enjoy coming to this blog. This kind of information you can only get from people who have been and experienced such and not from websites. Maa shaa Allaah… tabarakullaah!
Salam,
Mashallah, this is a excellent blog and mashallah the speed in which u reply os amazing.
Well Im studying the Madinah Books n would have finished them before I go to Egypt Inshallah.
I would like to cover Grammar again while Im there, and would like to cover Bayna Yadyk but I have a feeling it wont teach n cover the Grammar Im after. Does kitabul Assiss cover alot of Vocab compared to Bayna Yadyk?
What would you recommend?
AlsoFajr has this thing, where teachers get a break every 75 hours of teaching private, this would be a big waste of my time there, is there any way of avioding this.
jazakallah khair, 4 making this effort to help us inshallah.
ibnmuhammad:
look at ahlaam.wordpress.com, it compares diff arabic books
here it is: http://ahlaam.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/where-do-i-start/
Jazakallah Khiar just what I was after
as salaamu alaikum
i’m looking to come to cairo to start fajr center the beginning of october inshaAllah. i need help finding a place. when i called fajr center the brother told me the dorm building had nothing available and renting an apartment would cost 600 DOLLARS a month! thats like american rent.
if you ( or your husband ) know any brothers at fajr who need a room mate or could use an extra room mate please let me know. 600 os just ridiculus. barakalaahu feekum.
as salaamu alaikum
also would you recommend someone who did madina book 1 in america to study at al ibaanah or fajr? what other books does fajr use with bayna yadayk and when do they implement them? barakalaahu feekum
Wa iyyakum.
Ibn Muhammad, the Bayna Yadayk series are somewhat limited when it comes to extended grammar and you need to supplement your studies in nahw during and after them. These series are studied in a relatively short period of time (I reckon you can finish all 3 books in less than 7 or 8 months). Al-Kitab al-Asasi on the other hand covers much more grammar overall, but you need a longer stretch of time (maybe 1 to 1.5 years with the institutes).
If you have already studied Madinah Books 1-3, then I would say don’t take up Bayna yadayk books as part of your core studies – your level of grammar will be higher. Instead go for kitab asaasi book 2 or 3 or something more specialised e.g. the nadhms (Ajrumiyyah/Alfiyyah), the Wadhih series or any book on ‘Thanawi/Jami’i level nahw and sarf.
The best way to increase your vocab is to start reading books insha’Allah – Kitab Asasi and Bayna yadayk both have a lot of vocab but the type of vocab differs e.g. kitab asaasi is more broad and covers secular/tourism/round the world type vocab whereas bayna yadayk has more Islamic terminology – depends really on what your aims for studying Arabic are.
You can get a new teacher for each level or you can just request not to take a break. Most of the time they’re willing to accomodate for you – just tell them you only have a limited time and insha’Allah they should tailor things around you. I have a friend who studied 1 year and only took about 12-15 days off in the whole year.
Jazakallahu khayran fayrouz for the link, I totally agree with the points raised masha’Allah.
Abu hafitha, $600 a month is for the more furnished, larger apartments here. Actually the 2 apartments I mentioned earlier have now gone upto $600, Allahu a’lam what for though, the summer season is out. What day in ‘Oct do you need an apartment for? I know a 2-bedroom flat going for about $260-300, about 5mins walk away from Fajr center but it’s not free until 10th ‘Oct. Let me know if you’re interested, and I’ll pass the details on via email insha’Allah.
What aspect of Madinah book 1 did you enjoy and want to further? If you liked the grammar, go for al-Ibanah, but if you enjoyed the vocab and conversation then go for Fajr.
After level 10, Fajr center move onto al-kitab al-asaasi Book 3 with supplements from other books (i.e. a specialised book on Adab, and other studies from sarf/balagha). Wallahu a’lam.
that sounds good but i’ll be in egypt by the 4th inshaAllah so…….? what do i do till then?
as far as the madina book i liked all f it mashaAllah. as long as fajr will end up giving me sufficient grammr by the time i complete the program then they still sound like the best pick for me. i believe you stated before that in the end you pretty much end up with the same amount of grammar. i really care about what is the best way for me to get an understanding of the language and subsequently the deen inshaAllah. also it seems as if once i get a firm grasp i should be able to take some grammar in the masaajid there inshaAllah – is that possible there? never the less i still want a program that is pretty complete in itself without any supplements and i think fajr has that inshaAllah. plus al ibaanah take over 2 years to complete and i dont think i commit myself to a program thats over 2 years. i like something i will complete. fajr students dont end weak in grammar if they complete the whole 2 years do they? i know i jumped around a little but tell me what you think. barakalaahu feekum
Now that you have finished at the Institute, what are you studying now Sr. Fajr?
I haven’t really finished all the levels because of travels – got 1 or 2 more levels to go, but decided to do them later this year with specialised courses in literature (adab) insha’Allah. At the moment, I’m just focusing on completing my hifdh, working on attaining an ijazah bi’ithnillah.
Abu hafitha, you could request a flatmate search with the center and see if they can put you in with someone. Or you can stay at a hotel for a week until an apartment frees up?
I’m not sure about taking up grammar at the masajid here, you’ll need to find qualified tutors which isn’t too difficult insha’Allah.
Yes, the level of grammar you reach by the end of the 1.5 year program is roughly on par with the other institutes – they just differ in the speed with which it’s covered. Fajr students don’t end up with weaker grammar insha’Allah, but as with all centers, it depends on the efforts of the student.
If that’s your aim, then I wouldn’t advice you to rush into grammar first – build your vocab, speaking, reading and understanding primarily – go for Fajr center as I believe they fulfil this aim of yours moreso insha’Allah. You might find things a little tedious at first and slow-paced (since you’ve done Madinah book), but have patience and in the long run it’ll be better for you bi’ithnillah – studies pick up a lot after a couple of months.
okay i’m interested in the apartment so you can e mail me the details. i just hope there arent any roaches there.
if anyone who reads this blog will be coming to cairo soon lemme know if you’d like to be my room mate inshaAllah.
jazakillaahu khair. i reeeeeeeally appreciate your assistance. barakalaahu feekum
asSalaamu’alaykum
Will a brother with a degree in Construction Management be able to find a job out in Cairo?
BarakAllahu Feekum.
Roaches rule Cairo akhi, you won’t be able to get away from them very easily. I’ll send the landlord’s contacts via email insha’Allah.
Adem, it’s not easy to find jobs here unless it’s with a private company (in public sectors, Egyptian nationals are given priority) so the best thing to do is try and secure a job overseas with a company beforehand – i.e. contact the companies and apply online.
Salam,
If I was to study Kitabul Assiss, what else can I do to build up strong Islamic Text Vocabulary?
were you ever able to get the landlord’s contact info?
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Ibn Muhammad, reading Islamic books and text will probably be the best way to build that vocab. Try to do Arabic courses where the teacher is going through an Islamic text and explaining the words in context – Arabic application courses etc. In London, I think Ibn Jabal have something running like this in their Level 3 and 4 (Fiqh, tafseer and balagha courses are studied).
Abu hafiha, I’ve sent the details.
as-salaamu’alaikum,
I am just trying for a few more scholarships in the gulf. If that does not work out I think I will give Egpyt a shot (In shaa Allaah)
Thank you for your help sister.
assalamu ‘alaykum
Brother Abu Hafitha, are you planning to leave soon for Egypt? I know of a brother who might wish to start at Fajr Institute soon and might take up the offer to be your roommate, b’ithnillahi ta’aalaa.
Sister Fajr, if it is not too much of a problem can you e-mail this message to the brother? His e-mail has not been published here but as far as I am aware, the author of the blog can see the commentators’ e-mails, wAllahu A’lam.
Jazaakumullahu khayraa.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Consider it done.
im already there and i have my place mashaAllah. i just need a room mate and i hear that shouldnt be hard to find because i have one of the nicer apartments for a very low price mashaAllah. i e mailed your friend and im just waiting for a response. so to anyone else who is serious you still have time but move fast.
Aslaamu Alykum
I am sister who lives in melbourne and who really wants to study arabic inshAllah, am not sure how it costs for like 2 years, is there any students that i can share housing with?. let me know inshAllha
as Salaamu ‘Alaikum. Sis, do you think it is useful to take a laptop? Also, how easy is it, to set up internet connection there? Shukrun.
Wa `alaykisalam wa rahmatullah
Yeah, it’s definitely worth getting a laptop – in fact a must I would say. It’s not easy calling back home from here so most students prefer the cheaper and easier route of using the net to keep in touch with family (Yahoo Messenger Call/Skype are also very useful).
I would also stack up on useful lectures, Qur’anic recitations, articles, e-books etc on the laptop before coming as net connection might not be ready upon arrival (so you have something to keep you busy in your first weeks).
Net connection is simple to set up, your landlord should do it for you insha’Allah.
Its good ppl r asking you questions, maybe some ppl’s Q’s got answered along too who cudnt be bothered to ask & in the future you dont have to repeat em’ & if someone asks you again you just refer them back here.
jzk
Insha’Allah, I hope so
This was one of the ideas behind the blog, and alhamdulillah it’s useful as I refer friends/students to it for more info on certain things.
If I can just make a request to people who have questions – please read through all the comments first to see if it’s been answered before and if it’s something new then feel free to post it insha’Allah.
Jazakumullahu khayran
wa eyaakum… barakullaahu feekum. I have found the blog very helpful (alhamdulillaah). I have changed the address of my blog if anyone is interested.
We are going with a different vibe too… http://www.brenttheblogger.wordpress.com
I got a lot of hits from Fajr blog so I thought you guys might want to see this one (In shaa Allaah)
Please comment if you have time.
Salam Aleykum
I am thinking about the summer intensive program at fajr and I’m wondering if it something you would recomend it? It is a bit expensive (550 $ 2 months, 295$ one month). Could you learn arabic, I mean – would it be worth the money as you have also the accomodation/food etc plus 550$ for only tvo months? Anybody has information about it and/or experience?
For how long have you studied and how much have you actually learnt?
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
To be totally honest with you, I don’t think there is a huge benefit in doing just a summer intensive without any follow-ups.
This is because I personally find the time period to be too short to learn much (especially if you’re a beginner). It might however be more useful for someone already established in the language and who wants to gain extra lessons in advanced grammar/sarf etc.
Actually, to be honest I have a problem with all intensive courses in Arabic lol. I think to really gain a lot from understanding a language, you need to give it some time so it sinks in and you’re able to think in and familiarise yourself with it.
However, if the aim is to do the summer intensive and then follow it up immediately with a longer more steady study class, then yeah insha’Allah I don’t see a problem with that. The issue is that a lot of people only come for the summer intensive and then never go back to study Arabic at all which is quite insincere to one’s own talab al-’ilm
If you have the time, forget about summer/winter intensives and dedicate yourself to a year’s study (or at least 6-9 months) insha’Allah – much cheaper and better results in your progress.
Wa billahi-tawfeeq!
mashallah ur blog is soo good! jzk. Sis how long ave u been doin arabic if u dont mind me asking? also did u go egypt by urself or with family n if u go by urself cud u find sisters to go wit?
Asalamo Aleiklum
may Allah bless you and give you jannah. Amiin
If I do the three book of medina both the english version and the arabic version and the three book of al arabiyyatu bayna yadayk and after that the third book of kitab al asasi, when i have done those books can i be able to read classical works and go into more arabic grammar like ajromiyya and alfiyyatu ibnu malik
p.s inshAllah i’m doing the books in a non arabic country but alhamdulillah i have a teacher
Asalamo aleikum
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
I usually go with family but live with friends. You can find sisters to stay with, but you’ll need to sort that out in advance before making the trip insha’Allah.
Definitely insha’Allah. In fact I’d say were you to do just one set of books (whether Madinah books or al-Kitab al-Asasi), then you can start reading classical works before even completing your Arabic studies – depends on how dedicated you are.
With the ‘Ajrumiyyah you can start learning it during your study of any of the above books. Alfiyyat Ibn Malik however, you’ll need time to work through as the author approaches things from a slightly different perspective than what you’ll perhaps be used to. You also need more sharh of it compared to ajrumiyyah because his method of explaining rules are just amazing (and incredibly beneficial).
Assalamu Aleykum
Would you advice a sister with a little daughter to come to Misr for maybe 6-7 months and try to study arabic. How would that work with a child? I mean, is there any possibility woth “kindergarten” at the fajr centre, I thin I read about that some time ago. I tried to find out how much the fees are but couldn’t realy find it. It is 85$ per level and is there any registration fee for every level to, as it is in the beginning when you first register for your studies?
Also, how much does it cost to live in Misr, and how much is the rent if you try to find an apartment for 6 months (in Rehab) during december/january up to June/July?
Baarak Allahu feeki
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
The levels have gone up to about $95. There’s a registration fee only at the beginning of your study and not for every level insha’Allah.
Unfortunately I’m not sure how it’ll be studying with a child, I do have friends who do that but I believe it’s a little difficult overall. There’s a ‘hadhana’ (nursery) here where most sisters put their young ones but I think there’s an age restriction (maybe 5 year olds up?). I don’t know if the nursery is linked with the center or if it’s seperate (they’re definitely not in the same building though – different location).
Flats in Rahab are somewhat similar to M. Nasr, at times a little more pricier depending on your specifics – I’d say about 2000LE – 3000LE per month (£200 – 300) I think. Wallahu a’lam!
Assalamu Aleykum wa Rahmatullaah
Okey, I was thinking about comming with my almost 2 year old (by then she will be 1,5 years or 2,5) daughter summer 2009 or 2010 in shaa Allah, and was wondering if you could maybe find out if there is any nursering for me to put my daughter when going to school? Any alternative? Or are mothers not welcome
How much it would cost etc? It would be much appreciated sister if you could help me just with some information about it as I do not know anybody who could do it for me!
Baarak Allahu feeki
Salam,
Have the prices for private study changed much in Fajr?
Do you know much about Sibawayh, and how good they are?
salam i was just thinking do they have memorizing the quran schools in egypt for my self iam 26 years old.and how much would i spend on a place to live iam by my self.and which school is better for learning islamic alim according to arabic fajr or ibanah
Insha’Allah I’ll try my best to get you some info sister. Mothers are most definitely welcome!
Private studies currently stand at $250 per 75 hours (Madinat Nasr branch). I’ve never been to Sibaweyh, but sisters who’ve been there tell me it’s good but there isn’t strict segregation between brothers and sisters (particularly during the break). Other than that, insha’Allah it should be a cool (and cheaper) place to study. I believe they study from the Kitab al-Asasi series.
Harun, they have the most famous places to memorise Qur’an here alhamdulillah. If you want to learn Islamic ‘ilm then you’ll need to go to the specific ma’hads and masjids that teach it.
Markaz Fajr and al-Ibanah are language centers and not really ideal for learning the Islamic Sciences.
salam how much would i spend on a place to live iam by my self.noting to fhandsee and thank you for answering my other question.may allah bless you
Rent is usually about 1500-2000LE per month, for a decent 2-bedroom apartment. It’s not very easy getting a 1-bedroom flat for individuals unfortunately unless you share with others.
To the sister enquiring about nurseries, I found out there’s actually quite a few and alhamdulillah they accept children from very young ages (even younger than 1 yr). Sorry, I was obviously a bit clueless about these things!
Sisters here seem to recommend a particular nursery called ‘Rawdhatul-Fusha’ (which I did hear of years ago), they’re a good choice for mothers as the kids are exposed to the classical arabic from a young age as opposed to the dialect which most nurseries use. Insha’Allah let me know when you arrive here and I’ll send you more details bi’ithnillah.
What institutes or masaajid can you recommend for learning Qur’aan and Islamic sciences?
as salam alaykum were at nasir city in cairo do did have quran memorizing school sorry to bother you may allah bless you here and in the here after.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
If you’re ok in communicating, the best place to go in Madinat Nasr would be Ma’had al-Ma’sarawi. It’s located at the end of Mustafa Nuhas street, where the metro tram ends – after Hayy al-Thamin (8th district). – As you go down towards it (from say Makram/Manhal side), it’ll be on the left hand side.
This is an excellent institute run by Shaykh Ahmad ‘Isa al-Ma’sarawi, who also runs the general affairs in al-Azhar’s Qur’an dept. It’s a specialised institute for memorising the Qur’an and also for attaining Ijazah in all the 10 Qira’at. All the teachers are fully qualified and once you memorise the Qur’an in 1 Qira’ah, there are vigorous examinations in hifdh and tajweed before attaining an Ijazah (especially if you wish your ijazah to come from al-Ma’sarawi himself), then afterwards you’re able to progress to study another one insha’Allah.
Alhamdulillah, many students come from around the world come to work for their Ijazahs here as the system is pretty rigorous and aims to produce quality huffadh.
Fees: Only 40LE a month (£4). Students attend 2 or 3 days a week.
Other than that, I only know places exclusive for sisters to complete their hifdh.
jazakillah khayr for the quick response! I’m actually a sister so could you please state other places for sisters as well, the ma’had ma’sarawi sounds amazin mashallah! so sorry for taking so much of ur time sister. may Allah reward u abundantly, ameen.
Asalamulaikum!
I just wanted to say a BIG JazakAllah to sister Fajr for all the work on this blog.
May Allah swt reward you abundantly in this world and Akhira. Truly Inspirational!
Keep up the good work. Duas for me too inshAllah.
Masalama
i know of a nice furnished 1 bedroom flat in tajammal awwal for 1000 egyptian pounds(200 USD) a month. so if anyone is interested let me know. BTW i dont chrge any finders fee or anything else.
Jazaakumullaahu khayran ya Aba Hafitha
As
Wanted to ask you what do you study after level 10 at the fajr center and is it worth it?
Wa iyyaki sis. There are many other places in M. Nasr for sisters – a few of the top of my head:
Dar al-Fajr for Qur’an
Dar Umm al-Mu’mineen Aisha (both of the above located on Mustafa Nuhas street)
Markaz ‘Aleem (private study only – check beforehand for female staff availabiity)
Masjid al-Zahra
Masjid al-Mu’min al-Muhaymin (next to Ma’had al-Ma3sarawi)
You’d study specialised text in literature, further nahw/sarf etc, poetry etc. Yes, it’s worth it in my opinion (that’s when Arabic gets more exciting)
in levels 10 – 13 they teach ajromiyyah with sharh of shaykh uthameen mainly with some grammatical supplements from kitabu assassi. these last levels are very good mashaAllah.
Asalamulaikum!
This blog has been very helpful for me…I have a few questions I am hoping you can provide support for…
1. I will be going to study at Fajr inshaAllah for a year,
1. What is the best way to find a one bedrron for cheap…I have heard that the schools take a bit a month and that any other way is cheaper…I’ve heard a room under 700LE is possible…any help?
2. How much did it cost to live for a year as far as food and stuff goes?
3. When you read Quran now, do you understand its meaning now?
4. any idea of cost of hajj and umra from nasr city?…with and without group…
Thank you very much for helping us all out like this…May Allah(swt) reward you with success in this life and success in the hereafter!
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
The best way I think is to have personal contacts in Egypt, someone to direct you in the right direction as it’s difficult trying to arrange your own accomodation from abroad. Yes, it’s possible to get a 1-bedroom for 700LE insha’Allah but you have to look for it well.
Please read through the above comments as I think I answered this question before
Although it’s cheaper, I don’t know of exact prices.However, I think there’s a policy of not being allowed to apply for a Hajj/Umrah visa from Egypt if you’re of a different nationality – they might ask you to apply for it from your home country. Please double check before settling for it.
May Allah reward you all for your good intentions and efforts in learning.
please post the link to the review of the quran schools in egypt again.
This is for Fajr and whoever else that has info…
I have searched for flight tickets going from Los Angeles to Cairo departing in July of 2009 for 1 year…really the cheapest I could find was 1700…does anyone know or Fajr do you know of cheapest way to find flight tickets?
asalamualaykum i hope u are in best health aeem dear fajr are there flats in nasar city that go $150 or $200 or anything cheaper cause iam by my self or room for rent please let me no and thank you for your time
Wait until May or so. Prices should inshallah go down as right now it the season for tourism = high ticket costs.
^ I agree with the above, wait a couple of months before booking tickets. It might be a good idea to ring your airline and ask what the peak times are (so you can avoid it). After that, make it a daily/weekly habit to check ticket prices (on different airlines, transit etc) so you can see the variation.
Harun, there’s a 1-bedroom flat for about $200. If you’re interested, I can email you a contact?
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im in egypt and live near diwan please contact me
Assalamu-`Alaikum,
Sis, do you know of any sisters looking to share an apartment in Nasr City – end of March?
Jazzakallahu Khaire.
Okay almost everything is set for me…:)…one more question regarding costs…inshaAllah my final incoming day is around May 21st…which is beginning of hot summer days…
Please what is the average cost of apartment rent in May for a 1 bedroom with air conditioning(I hear air is a must in summer?)
I am looking for cheap over quality…Anyone know of anyone I can contact with help around that time regarding renting?
Anyone in Nasr city right now?
Fajr from your experiance what do you think possible rent I am looking at in May…
Thanks!
Muslimah, your email address is unfortunately invalid.
Umm Tameem, I can’t say right now but insha’Allah if you check back nearer to the time there might be something.
Ahmad, although one bedroom flats are cheaper, they are somewhat more difficult to find and secure. Rent in May borders the time when prices start to go up for the summer, but insha’Allah you should be able get something decent (perhaps in the range 1000-2000LE for a 2-bedroom flat?)
Brothers in M. Nasr, please feel free to contact and help those posting on the blog. Jazakumullahu khayra.
ahkhee ahmed i cant help inshaAllah when you’re ready but the prices will be around what the sister fajr quoted. sis fajr just forward my contact info to the brother inshaAllah.
is there anyone who studies in alexandria? what books do qortuba use? is it possible to get private teachers in alexandria the same way it is in cairo? also do they have any daycares there similar to rawdatu fusha? how is life there in general in comparison to cairo?
Asalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah,
Sister Fajr jazak’Allahu khair, this is a most beneficial site and i’ve been promted to think about alot of stuff i hadn’t thought about. I have found this to be so beneficial, may Allah reward you and all those involved.
I am coming to Egypt in May/June 09 insha’Allah with my wife and 2 children to study arabic for at least 1 year. I was wondering if you could advise:
1. which areas in M.Nasr would you recommend. I have been to rehab on a short visit previously and know what it looks like but i think its too far to travel everyday and i think my wife may hate the isolation there. However i understand there is nothing like this in M.Nasr. It was suggested that i look at Swisery / district 10 but i read above that its a dump. I would like to be close the the markaz if possible but a descent area.
2. Also could you please advise me on the current prices for these areas for 2 or 3 Bed appartments, as I have been told all sorts of prices..e.g Swissery = £200 , Abbas Al-Aqad = £400. and so on.
3. Im a bit apprehensive about Fajr institute as i have been told and read its quite far out, any comments?
4. Private or Group tuition? im not sure getting mixed info and there was nothing on your link above. Could you please advise on whats best?
5. I have been studying arabic here in the UK and can have very basic conversation and prob my comphrehension is better that my speach. Which book would you recommend considering i am more interested in islamic studies after arabic so conversation is not most important as i think this is a bi-product anyway. What do you you reckon??
Jazak’Allahu khair sister and i look forward to your response.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Wa iyyakum
1.
Rahab is almost impossible for a student to travel from. Other than it taking a long time and tiring you out, it’s also quite pricey if taking a taxi (the buses come at fixed timings). District 10 is relatively cheap to live in, but as mentioned, it’s quite rundown and a bit distant so wouldn’t really recommend it if you have children.
The more ‘ok’ areas would be parts of Hayy al-Thamin, 8th district (check out Hasan Sharif/Ma’mun street [walkable from the center], Makram ‘Ubayd street and maybe ‘Abbas al-’Aqaad. They’re all connected by the main road, Mustafa Nahas which is cool too).
2. Prices are currently all over the place unfortunately, ranging from 200-400 English pounds as you mentioned – it depends on the area, size and furnishing of flat. For a 3 bedroom, be prepared to pay up to 3000LE for something decent. I’ve had to raise the rent for my parents’ 3-bedroom flat (currently leased) to 2500LE after resisting for a long while but inflation here just keeps going up!
3.
Sorry, I didn’t understand this point. Did you mean ‘far out’ as in distance?
4. Really, it’s whatever you find suits you. I sometimes recommend group study for people if they have the time because that encourages interaction and develops speaking skills, it’s also a healthy thing in the long run to have others studying with you. However if you’re a fast learner and work hard, then you might find yourself being kept behind from progressing (which naturally happens when studying with mixed abilities) – in that case, it might be better for you to take up private and work at your faster pace, wallahu a’lam.
5. Of all the main books for learning Arabic, the al-’Arabiyyatu Bayna Yadayk series are more Islamically-oriented, so you’ll get the vocab and exposure to the Islamic topics/sciences from them more so than other books. However, is conversation a mere bi-product? Hmm, I think that’s debatable!
Wa billahi-tawfiq insha’Allah.
Jazak’Allahu khair sister.
Oh and reading over what i wrote, ie. my choice of words “its a dump”, my sincere apologies to anyone reading this if it offends, it was not intended and i shall choose my words carefully in future insha’Allah.
asslaamu `alaikum,
Sis, is it easy (for UK citizen) to purchase thier visiting visa from the Airport?
Apartment available in Nasr city shared with brothers. Available from the start of march own room with shared bathroom kitchen and living area have most things washing machine, cutelry , chairs tables in each room etc. About 700 le W/A bills. Near to Masjid Bilal.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Umm Tameem, yes you can pick up an entry visa at the airport upon arrival – it’s about $15 and lasts for 1 month.
Z, jazak’Allahu khayran for the information. If possible please provide a point of contact for those interested.
As-salaamu `alaykum wa rahmatullaah,
Hope you are well sister. Just wanted to congratulate you and thank you on maintaining a very useful and informative blog.
I am currently studying Arabic alhamdulillaah in Cairo. Just wanted to ask what books you would recommend to buy from here to take back home.
Shukran.
asSalaamu’alaykum
I have two brothers leaving from NY Feb 19th to Cairo inshaaAllah.
Anyone looking for two room mates or if anyone knows of a cheap apartment please let me know A.S.A.P. They don’t need internet and all those luxuries. Basic furniture is all that they need.
The room in out flat is available from march. But they could sleep on the sofa until the brother leaves on the 28th. The room has 2 beds so it will be fine ( They will pay half of rent each as they are sharing a room and bills will be split between brothers ). Near the end of March another brother will be leaving so the brothers can then go into separate each rooms if they wish. Let me know and i will contact you ( please leave info).
asSalaamu’alaykum
Let me tell the brothers and get back to you inshaaAllah.
ws
The room has been taken sorry. But another room will be opening end of march but that will probably be of no use.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
Thanks for a very informative post. I have a query related to this.
Do you think any of these institutes are good at preparing an individual for studying at one of the Islamic universities in Saudi Arabia?
I am deciding as to whether I should go down the summer/winter program route (with self-learning other times of the year) or enrol on the 2 year Arabic Language Program for non-Arabic speakers at the various Islamic universities in Saudi.
Hope you can give me some of your thoughts,
Ra’ad
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Most people I know don’t really recommend learning Arabic in Saudia… apparently Egypt and Syria are a lot better. Yes, insha’Allah, these institutes do prepare you well to take on a full degree in Arabic – provided you work hard.
salaam’alayki ukht, can you please give a bit of info on al-ibaanah? or what you know of it? any information would be helpful, baarakallaahu feeki
as-salaamu ‘alaikum.
I shall have a vacant room for 1 month. From 1st April. Nasr City. If there is any sister interested in sharing, please leave a message and inshaa`Allah Sr.Fajr can pass your e-mail on to me and vice-versa.
Jazzaka`Allahu Khairan.
asSalaamu’alaykum
How does one go about buying Land in Egypt?
Salamun ‘alaykum
Jazakillaahu khairan for the beneficial information. I, myself, have a few questions:
1. If I plan to stay in Egypt for less than a year to learn Arabic, which institute would be best (between fajr and al-ibaanah). I’ve completed only books 1 and 2 of madinah books.
2. I’ve heard that al-ibaanah has a more Islamic environment than Fajr institute. Is this correct?
3. Is it possible to work part-time, or tutor, to help sustain yourself (if you have you no obligations but your self)?
4. What do you think about learning Arabic and memorising Quran in Abu Dhabi, UAE? (Because I have a brother there, and no family in Egypt, this is the choice of my parents)
5. What is it like for single sisters studying and living in Egypt? Safe,? difficult?
6. How far away is New Cairo from Fajr and al-ibaanah?
Look forward to your responses. Barakallaahu feekum.
Zahra Mukhtar
can anyone tell me if qortuba in alexandria is certified? do you get a certificate from the govt like you do with fajr if you finish there? i found it strange that their website didnt say anything about their certificate.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Sister1430, I don’t really know too much about al-Ibanah. I visited perhaps once (!), they have their own books which students study from. I believe their program consists of about 15 or 18 levels which run over a period of 2 years. I have to say, students who complete the Arabic program there are very strong in their language masha’Allah, particularly the grammar and depth of the Arabic Sciences. It’s a good place to study
Adem, I have no idea about buying land but buying property here is pretty straight forward, there are agencies who can take you through the whole process & I assume they can assist in buying land too.
Zahra;
2. Both institutes are fully segregated and have a good Islamic environment alhamdulillah.
3. It is possible yeah, but it’s very tiring working here, so perhaps it’s not a good idea for students to work unless they need to.
5. It’s safe here but I wouldn’t recommend you to live on your own, that’s just standard
Come with someone or try to get a flatmate insha’Allah – let me know if you need help.
6. New Cairo is about 15-20mins drive from the centres you mentioned.
Abu Hafitha, better to ring them up… I wouldn’t go on website info alone!
Hey there Fajr,
I am planning on getting started on learning Arabic this summer and I am looking for some guidance.
The first thing I should make clear is that I have no experience with Arabic and I don’t know anybody in Cairo. This makes it difficult for me because while I do have all the months from May to August open to me, I worry that if I just went to Cairo I would not know where to start.
For that reason I have been looking to find a program that I can do for the first month that will allow me to ease into the setting into Cairo and get some basics of the language. I was thinking a program that offers room and board, likely geared towards other foreigners who are, like me, starting fresh. While I realize I am going to be paying extra for this type of program just because it is geared to foreigners, I figure as long as it’s just for the first month it would be worth the investment.
I know that you have cautioned against switching schools because they use different curriculum and the transition could result in regression rather than progression in learning. However I am a very strong, social student who learns very fast and is already somewhat competent in a second language. For that reason I feel that I will likely outpace my classmates somewhat quickly. Based on that assumption, I feel that I may end up finding private lessons more useful anyway. This is why I thought that choosing to start at a school knowing I will leave it after only a month may not be a bad idea. Does this sound logical to you?
One program I was looking at was:
http://www.languagesabroad.co.uk/egypt.html
Of course another option would be just to register at al-Fajr or al-Dewan or another big name school, find a place to stay right when I arrive and take a more adventurous approach. I am certainly not intimidated by such a path; it would likely save me money and if it will ensure I have a better chance of learning the most I can this summer then I would rather do that. I was hoping to study for 8 weeks and then travel for 8 weeks, so my time is also important!
Anyways, your advice is appreciated!
Nick
salaam’alaykum, with regards to memorizing qur’aan, you mentioned that Ma’had al-Ma’sarawi is one of the best places to learn, mashalah, is it close to the fajr/ ibaanah centre? and do they take students anytime of the year or at specific times only? is it for sisters also?
jazaakillaahu khayr ukht
assalaamu alaykum,
im sorry if this has been asked b4 but here goes:
i need a flat mate, a brother. im going in june for 3months. plz hook me up:D
and also (im sorry if this has been asked)
i wanna do arabic privately, not with a centre, but i wanna do some hifdh while im there too(not tajweed or basics), preferably in a masjid/centre or in a small group with a teacher rather than on my own r there any places i shud google? Ma’had al-Ma’sarawi??
aaaaaaaaaand plz giv me info about prices of tuition fees for private arabic and for hifdh centres
and and annnnd, some one mentioned u can buy a visa for 1 month. can i buy one for 3 months too? im going to be there for exactly 3 months – 1 day
may Allah bless you all with jannatul firdaus inshaAllah
assalaamu alaykum
Nick, yes if you’re a strong student then starting on a program with the intention of going private afterwards at a faster (and more suited) pace won’t be a bad thing at all. As long as you know your studying ability and strengths, then work with that. In your case, the problem wouldn’t be the learning then, it’s probably more ‘Can I get the most out of my time?’ since you only have 8 weeks. So you wouldn’t want to have any time wasted and you’ll want to look at programs that are efficient and good-paced.
As for being very new to the scene, then you’ll need as much help as you can get at the beginning e.g. having a good apartment ready for you upon arrival (this is probably the biggest headache) and a good transition into Cairo life. Sometimes there’s a culture-shock that comes with flying in from another country and trying to get accustomed to the norm and culture of the people etc, but if you’re adventurous and willing to try new things (and you’re patient!), then hopefully there’s not much to worry about!
Sorry I didn’t have much time to fully look at the website you gave, but it seems pretty organised (which is something to look for institutes). Weigh up the pros and cons of institutes heavily before deciding and speak to ex-students if you can (it’s a good thing to learn from others’ experiences). Have you tried looking at specific summer programs? They’re usually more suitable for students who are coming for very short periods in the summer and need ready-made packages (apartment, classes, pick-ups etc). Check to see if these might be the thing for you… although they cost more, they usually leave you more at ease. Hope it works out well for you.
Sister1430, although Ma’had al-Ma’sarawi is fine & ideal and open to sisters, I have to say it’s not really something for the new students whose level of Arabic may not be enough. That’s because the teachers mainly speak in the Egyptian dialect (‘aamiyyah) as it’s an institute geared to the public and if a student is working on for example tajwid or memorisation of the lower chapters, they’ll place you in halaqat (learning circles) and not private study. These can be more detrimental for a foreigner who’s not used to the dialect or someone who is more advanced than the rest of the group (as you’ll be kept behind with them).
The Institute however is ideal if you’re looking to complete your hifdh (i.e. you’re almost there), or you’ve completed it already and are looking to review the Qur’an, or you’re looking to gain certification in the Qira’at (Ijazah) as the teachers are qualified to give ijazahs in all the Qira’at (7 & 10). So if you’re dedicated and you have time, they can take you a long way.
The place itself is about 10mins walk from Fajr Center and about 30mins walk from al-Ibanah, they’re open to take students any time of the year (closed for holidays) but the halaqat start up certain times of the month and depends on the no. of students.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Abu Qudama, visas can be obtained for any length of time (I think max. is 1 year).
For hifdh classes, most of the masajid here have classes running but you’ll need to attend a few and see which one is ideal for you. If you end up living near Diwan center for example, masjid Bilal has something on offer for brothers which you can check out. Please check my comment above regarding Ma’had al-Ma’sarawi.
Tuition fees differ from one institute to another (also prices can go up) so it’s better to check their individual websites to get the latest word.
If there are any brothers who can assist Abu Qudama in flat-sharing, please leave your contact here for him (sorry, that’s the best I can do!)
assalaamu alaykum, bro Abu Qudama,
i am going to Cairo this summer and insh allah will study Arabic in Fajr. If you want to share the apartment with me, please contact and so we can discuss the possibility.
Thanks very much for sis Fajr’s hard work. May Allah reward you.
assalaamu alaykum
ok inshallah, btw i have a flat sorted now i just need a room mate. or if u have i i cud drop mine or summin. im leaving 8th june – 7th sept
sis fajr could you plz giv me his email or vice versa plz jazakillahu khayran
wassalaamu alaykum
asSalaamu’alaykum
My family and I are planning to move to Egypt for some time, inshaaAllah. My mother-in-law is a registered nurse. She is asking, how things work in Egypt in the medical field. Are there nurses in schools, medical companies that attend patients homes…etc? She has many many years of experience so she is asking would it be hard for her to get a job out there as a nurse? How does one go about to find a job in hospitals or such?
BarakAllahu feekom
ahkee nick
i would definitely say go private. 8 weeks will get you nowhere in group. but it doesnt have to be a big name institute and actually a smaller institute may be better because theyre ore flexible. ya3nee you can study whatever books you want.
Adem, the best thing would probably be for her to contact private hospitals (preferably the international ones) in Egypt and settle a contract with them – not only will they be willing to accept her but she’ll also get a larger salary. I’m not sure about working in the usual local hospitals here, but with her experience and qualification, she’s bound to get a job straight away insha’Allah – just do your research thoroughly before settling for anything.
FYI
Arabic Study in Cairo
How to Select the Best School for You
by Rose Aslan
After 9/11, thousands of students, professionals, and retirees have decided to enlighten themselves and risk worrying their friends and parents by taking a study trip to the Middle East. Several decent Arabic language schools are located throughout the region, but there is no better place to start than Cairo—a city of nearly 20 million souls, where everything seems to happen. You either hate it or love it, although most seem to love it and don’t know why.
It is the city of ultimate contrasts: women in full Islamic dress covering can be seen riding the metro next to trendy young women wearing a short skirt and T-shirt; donkey-driven carts still cruise the main streets of downtown amid the deadlock of traffic jams; the rich inhabit enormous castles while some of the poorest live in shacks in cemeteries. From the European feeling of downtown Cairo to the narrow dirt alleys of the old city, Cairo offers something for everyone.
Most of the private universities, institutes, and centers offer courses in Modern Standard Arabic (MSA) and Egyptian Colloquial Arabic (ECA) as well as a range of specialized courses, electives, and private tutorials. Many offer intense summer courses and also provide extra support for incoming students to make life easier in such a chaotic city: service from the airport, booking a hotel for the first few nights, finding accommodations, organizing trips, arranging private tutors, etc.
Prices vary: some schools offer scholarships and discounts as incentives for new students; smaller schools base their prices on the number of students enrolled. In the cheaper, Egyptian-run schools you will find an incredibly diverse group of students, from countries as varied as Malaysia, Albania, Niger, The Netherlands, Uzbekistan, Brazil, Turkey, and China.
Choosing a School
When choosing a school, always ask the following questions:
1) How much do you want to pay?
2) What level of teaching do you require?
3) Do you want to focus on MSA or ECA?
4) Do you want a non-religious or an Islamic environment?
5) What kind of neighborhood do you want to live and study in?
The following Arabic language schools in Cairo have decent reputations and are well-established:
The American University in Cairo (AUC) (aucegypt@aucnyo.edu, http://www.aucegypt.edu/intlspecial/index.htm) is the best but the most expensive option in Cairo. All teachers hold an MA in TAFL and use the latest methodologies and teaching strategies, and learning equipment. And because AUC is a world-class private university, it offers cultural and recreational activities not available at other Arabic schools, including a large university library, a computer lab, weekly concerts and lectures, plus access to loads of services on campus and a great location downtown. Prices range from $3,349 for the summer term to $13,464 for the full year.
Kalimat Language & Cultural Centre (info@kalimategypt.com, http://www.kalimategypt.com), known to be the best private institute, with reasonable prices and excellent teaching, is located in a pleasant suburb only a 10-minute ride to downtown. Prices range from $160 for a 32-hour ECA course to $240 for a 48-hour MSA course.
The Arabic Language Institute, affiliated with the International House Worldwide Organization of Language Schools (ili@arabicegypt.com, http://www.arabicegypt.com), one of the oldest Arabic schools in Cairo is located in a quiet suburb, a 15-minute taxi ride from downtown. Because it’s foreign run, it is well organized, but this is reflected in the prices: from $240 for a 32-hour course in ECA to $675 for a 90-hour course combining MSA and ECA.
Al-Fajr Center (www.fajr.com), located in an isolated suburb, one hour from downtown by public transportation, is best for those learning Arabic for religious reasons. The environment is conservative and most women wear headscarves. Only Classical Arabic is spoken—important for religious scholars, but not very useful for every-day communication. It’s one of the best deals in town at $85 for a 75-hour course.
Al-Diwan Centre (www.aldiwancentre.com), located in the same neighborhood as the Al-Fajr center, is another Arabic school with a conservative Islamic environment. Students who have studied there give it good recommendations. Prices range from $85 for a 50-hour course in MSA to $170 for a 100-hour course and $90 for a 50-hour course in ECA to $180 for a 100-hour course.
Ain Shams University (alsun@asunet.shams.edu.eg, net.shams.edu.eg), one of the top public universities in Egypt, offers a diploma in Arabic for non-native speakers. The school is said to provide excellent teaching, in an environment where students mingle with the Egyptian student population. Tuition is higher than the small Arabic schools, but this is a great opportunity for those wanting a real Egyptian experience, including Egyptian bureaucracy. If you don’t succeed in emailing them and you really want to go there, it’s best to wait until you’re in Egypt.
Rose Aslan is currently studying advanced Arabic on a Fulbright scholarship at the Center for Arabic Study Abroad at the American Univ. in Cairo. She has lived in Cairo for nearly two years and traveled throughout the Middle East.
As-salaamu `alaykum
I’m looking into studying at fajr this summer. I’ve read a number of the above replies which have helped alhamdulillaah. But I still have some questions… Do you think it’d be better to study for just the summer program, or continue on from there? And given those periods of time (Jun-Aug or Jun-Nov) how much do you believe one could cover?
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
The summer months are too hot and can affect your concentration so if you have a choice go for the milder months.
Bear in mind however that Ramadan this year will come at the end of Aug (and most centres close for some periods at the end of Ramadan), so see how that will affect your plans. On the other hand if you wish to specifically do the summer program (intense 5hr/day) then it only exists in the summer I guess (Jun-Aug)
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh
Jazaakillaahu khayran for the info! It’s my only choice really, I’ve got a long “break” till Jan and wanted to get the most out of it. The other option is to wait till next year, Allaahu A`lam… If I’ve calculated correctly it would be cheaper to do their normal program for the duration of the stay, though I understand/believe that less levels would be covered during that time, so the question now is about price and productivity… Thanks for your help. If there is anything you can suggest, I’ll be grateful.
Was-salaam
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Wa iyyakum.
If you have the funds and are good with intensive study, then you’ll gain more by studying in the summer program. However if you have the time and find it easier to study at a more steady pace, it’s better to take your time.
Personally, I’d say go with whatever suits you the best in terms of: finance, method of study and comfort. From my experience of teaching Arabic intensively I know it doesn’t work for everyone so bear that in mind. On the other hand if you know you can cope well, then go for it; get more levels down in half the time!
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh.
Once again, jazaakillaahu khayran for your advise. I’ve tried contacting fajr a few times and they haven’t responded to me yet.
I’m not too familiar with intensive courses to be honest, but with `Arabic in general I tend to put in a lot more effort than with other studies. It’s the only subject I’ve ever handed homework in way before it’s due! So I’m hoping my “zeal” will help me pull through.
The way I see it, I shouldn’t have much else to do there, no job, no uni, no relatives to visit etc. I think this kind of environment can help one concentrate, which is why I want to go for it.
Assalamu alaikum,
May Allah reward you for all of your efforts and advice.
I have thought about going to Egypt with my wife. However, due to financial constraints, I would have to get a job. I saw programs that certify people to Teach English as a 2nd language and then place people in different locations worldwide, including Egypt (Cairo in particular).
My question is: Do you know of anyone who has done this and then studied Arabic at the same time? How successful were they in their studies even though they still had to work? Work weeks for English teachers usually run from 20-25 hrs/week.
Please advice. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Assalaamu aleikum, May Allah reward you for your service ameen.
I was thinking going to qortoba institute in alexandria, do you know anything about it? if i
Is there quranic hifz school ?
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Wa iyyakuma.
‘LearningArabic,’ – from what I’ve seen (and of personal experience), it’s quite difficult working and studying at the same time. A problem you might face is that working hours usually clash with study hours at most Arabic centres, so if you wish to work you’ll need to go private (or sort out a schedule with an institute that’s willing to do seperate hours). I’m afraid I can’t say you’ll attain your full potential in studies if you’re also working full-time. But you can pull it off if you try and are determined (it’ll just be a little tiring).
Abu Ubaida, Qortaba is good masha’Allah… I haven’t been there myself, but have heard a lot of good about it. Hifdh schools are locatable in Alex but I only know of al-Ma’sarawi’s Institute which has a branch there. Please check the recent post on it for contact details.
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah
Sorry to keep asking questions, but I’m finding the info here very helpful, may Allaah reward you with good. Would you recommend taking any particular books along to assist in studying? What about taking other `Arabic course books like the gateway or the Madinah series, even if for revision purposes?
salam alkum fajr may allah reward you emencely for your efferts ameen well im a young man who wants to go to egypt to study his islam and also learn arabic and also make new freands becouse most of my freands are not good infulence which instutue would you recommend for learning and socializing at the same so it doesnt get to boring please reply i realy need advise,
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
Abu Uthman, you can find all the Arabic books there as far as I know (for better prices)… unless there are specific books published in your home country which you want to take along. If you already have your own books then yeah, take them along for revision instead of buying new ones out there.
Muhammad, all places have great students who you can befriend insha’Allah. Just don’t do private classes (as it’ll be just you) – go for any centre which offers group classes and hopefully it’ll roll from there. May Allah grant you good companionship. Amin.
which center would you advise ?
Go for Marzak Fajr, their group classes can get pretty full (hence more students to socialise with!).
salam alkum i want to sign up for fajr wear do i start im confused and how do i go about finding a roommate for my acomdation
salam alkum, inshallah I am coming with my wife in June to study at Fajr center.
Sister Fajr, do you know the differences between three branches of Fajr? I heard Madinat Nasr is very isolated and expensive to live? Is Dokki branch better in term of transportation? We also plan to go to Ain Shams univsersity three days a week in evenings to attend regular Arabic classes, we can learn both religious Arabic and secular-academic languages which is required by our research program. Do you think it is a good idea? is it too much to do and too hard to travel around? which is the best location to rend one bed room apartment?
sisters and brothers, if you happen to know such an apartment available from early June to late Aug, just let me know.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
Muhammad, no need to be confused bro. First thing first, go to http://www.fajr.com and browse around, reading & getting all information. Then work out a timetable for yourself as well as finance etc. Afterwards, you can enrol or contact the center for more details. Finding a roommate is mostly down to you, so maybe you can begin your search from now. The centre does offer a service to help you out in that, but always have a plan B (and C!).
Riah, if you wish to study at ‘Ayn Shams then it’ll be easier for you to go to the Dokki branch as Madinat Nasr is about 30-45mins away from downtown Cairo (where the uni is). I wouldn’t say it’s isolated though (it’s over-populated), just not near the uni.
Just a heads up though, Dokki and Ma’adi branches are more expensive than the Madinat Nasr branch and I don’t think they offer group classes, just private or semi-private. But I do say that it’s better to remain local & keep all your studies in one place (either downtown or in Nasr City) rather than travel all around the city getting to different institutes.
thank you sister may allah reward you for you help and anthere thing what kind of races go to fajr is it only arabs ? and also do you know anyone wanting to go right know any brothers and what advise would you give me going about this \
As-salaamu `alayakum warahmatullaah.
I hope all is well.
I haven’t found a clear-cut answer to this question, so I thought that maybe you could help. For the intensive programs, how many levels are typically covered for each month/100 hours? Also, Fajr Centre said to me that 1 bedroom, furnished lettings in Nasr City are going to cost around $450.00 per month, which is around £300. I take it these are the repercussions of the credit-crunch or they’re summer season prices!
Jazaakillaahu khayran for your time.
salam brother do you know any brothers wanting to go to fajr and need roomates inshallah
As-salaamu `alaykum
No. Sorry, I don’t know anyone needing a room mate. A brother I know who went to Fajr Centre in 2006, said that he established his room mates and accommodation when he arrived at the centre. I will be with my family inshaa’ Allaah, so this isn’t an option for me. Maybe you could check hijra.net forums, I’ve seen a couple of people ask around there.
wassalaam im still looking for a roomate, im leaving in around a month from now,
sister fajr plz pass my email add to the brother above plz, jakzakillah
inshallah im going month or so to start course and make hijra
whats the brothers email above since im going soon
assalaamu alaykum,
i think i have a flat sorted for me now, akhi muhammed. but i was told that even if u dont find a flat u can ask around when you get there or something as there are always brothers coming and going.
sorry for late reply, plz forgive me
wassalaam
As-salaamu `alaykum.
Brothers, the sister is away for 2 months, she stated in her blog-post, “Qur’an Bearers: Nobles of this Ummah” which is currently on the home page:
“Update: I’ll be on a break for about 2 months, so unfortunately no updates until after then. But I leave you with this beautiful piece below…”
So she may not be able to pass on your email adds to each other. In the meantime, why don’t you both sign-up to/log-in to wordpress, maybe you can’t contact eachother through that, wAllaahu A`lam?
im going on june 25 anyone planning to go
Asalaam alykum,
Ive applied for the 2nd summer course (1 month) at Fajr from 27 July 09 – 23 August 09. They sent me an email saying ive been accepted and to pay the deposit online.
I now need to sort out accommodation….. Im a single brother so bascially anything will do (cheaper the better…to a certain degree!).
Anyone know if anyone requires a room mate from the 24th July to 24th August?
(Im asuming id be based at their Nasr City Branch…am i correct in asuming this?)
JazakAllahairan
yes nasir city well im looking aswell but im going on 25 june
slms
i am leaving for cairo on 28th June, i wanted to get onto the summer course at aldiwan, but they are fully booked @ the Nasr branch, now i need some advice as to what to do. I intend to go for 1 year with family….any advice will be appreiciate inshallah…my flat is sorted, it is only 5mins from Aldiwan, so ideally i wanted to go there….now that won’t be an option, well at least not on the summer programs. Is there any pointers from someone? I had a look at sibawayhcenter.com, but i don’t know how far apart it would be from the flat, any ideas? or does anyone know of a map of Nasr city?
anyway
jazakallah khyr
Wa`Alaykum as-Salaam.
If your flat is close to Diwan Center, then you are close to Sibawayh Center too.. Inshaa`Allah.
Assalaamu Aleikum!
Mashallah very informative blog. I am learning a lot. Just a few questions: Ok, Im planning to study at Fajr inshallah with group classes from Aug 8 until I complete 5 or 6 levels. The thing is that I have noticed a lot of people who go there to study have flexibility, in other words, they stay and study as long or as short as they can. My question is, with regards to this, how does one accomodate flight in these instances? Is it better to buy one-way ticket when you are ready to come back or should you do the round-trip option and risk interference with unforseen circumstances while studying?
use Egyptair, and they will give you one free change of date, apprantley as late as upto 24hrs, but check that first to confirm
maslaams
as-salaamu ‘alaykum Abu Musa,
A sister I know and her children will be going to egypt for the summer and she was telling me that they are going to go a arabic language center called Rahma. They cater for families whereby they have qur’an, arabic, tajweed and islamic studies programs for men, women and children with very decent fees. This organisation is run by a british brother and they are also based in nasr city. They can also help you find accommodation or anything you may need help with. Their website is http://www.rahmaarabic.com/ but for some reason it’s not working at this moment, I’m not sure why. Anyhow i will try and obtain his email address for you asap inshaAllah.
Anyway this website is very good for people who want to come to Egypt to study arabic as it has all the basic information for those with a lot of questions about cairo & studying. http://www.usnegypt.com/
tip: google http://www.rahmaarabic.com/ and then click on the ‘cached’ and you will be able access the website……
my question how far is (walk) this from masjid bilal area?
jazkaallahu khyra
As-salaamu `alaykum,
Regarding Rahma, I can find out inshaa’ Allaah. What information do you need?
Assalaamu aleikum:
does anyone have any experience or thoughts on the Nile Center? They have really good prices but I need some practical review of it.
jazakumallah khair.
asSalaamu’alaykum
Nadan, can you provide some information about Rahmah Arabic center?
The website seems well orgainized and would like some information on center itself. Who runs it, do you know anyone that has attended that center before?
Also, I don’t know of anyone that lived in District 10 which is where the center is located…how is it there? Is it religious…or is it westernized?
BarakAllahu Feekom
ws
i was staying in the building next to Rahma last year (june). It has a garden in front of it, and the area was very dusty as there was alot of develpment…..but this could have all changed since then.
I think area 10 is far from westernized, it seemed more residential then anything…
hope this helps…
BarakAllahu Feek akh Abu Musa.
Any other information is still much appreciated inshaAllah.
Salamulaikum
Alhamdulillah everything is planned out and I will be coming down to Nasr city for a year of study at Fajr Center inshaAllah. I have some specific questions I am hoping to get help with please.
1. I was hoping to find a part time job that can help me with my monthly expenses so I can come back home and have some money left. Can I find a job there and do I need a different visa then a student/tourist visa? Please give me help on this…only looking for a part time job that will help me make around 200-300 a month.
2. In addition to learn Fusha, I was hoping to learn Tajweed and also take Quran/hadithes classes. Are there any institutions other than Fajr Center that you all know of that provides this services?
Please any info is helpful
slms
i have just found out the Rahma school may have moved from that location i was referring to, so my description of the area might be wrong too…
jzk khyr
salaam,sisters and brothers.
. Anyway, So please let me know if you and your friends/relatives are interested… my email is farabi.chai@gmail.com. May Allah reward your help!
i am in Nasr city and looking for a male roomate now .
My apartment is on Makram Ebid Road, one mintue walking to City Center and 5 mitues walking to CityStars. There is a big produce market nearby , two minutes walking, and you can buy very fresh and cheap vetatables and fruit.
The apartment is very well furnished and clean. It has two bed rooms with 3 beds, two new ACs, new washing machine, a new shower, and satellite TV. It has tables, desks and sofas and other small funitures. Kitchen is not very impressive but you can cook there without any problem…
Rent is not that expensive if two people share. When my agent recommended this apartment to me, I accepted it because I don’t want to waste too much time finding an apartment. For myself, i am a Chinese Muslim who will study Arabic in fajr center this summer. Insh allah, it is easy to get along with me.
mashallah brother me to im going this summer to study arabic may alla make it easy for us i havent sorted acomodation yet tho
As-salaamu ‘alaykum
Ahmad-The ‘best’ job for foreigners would be to teach english but I would not advise this at the beginning of your studies. There is only 24 hours in a day and I would say perhaps find an institute where the fees are cheaper and then perhaps save some money that way and when you feel that your arabic is picking up then find some vacancy around.
Usually teachers aren’t willing to teach ahkaam tajweed to beginners because you won’t really understand the terminologies they use so they may teach you how to pronounce and correct your errors until you’re more firm in grasping rules.
So a more economical thing is to go to the masaajid near you and then sit in their Qur’aan halaqa and you’ll be taken in like that, then after several months when your arabic and conversation level picks up, do a course on classical tajweed texts. The teachers at the masaajid may even be able help you with this and you don’t ‘loose’ so much money! Make your focus on utilising your time and learning as much as you can whilst being economical.
Sister Fajr has posted about Ma’had Al-Ma’saraawi so check that for tajweed lessons.
For all of you who are travelling to Masr, safar salaamah!
apologise for this being off topic.
adem albani do you know a family who lost a son called omar, afew years back?
if so, how are they doing?
3c, No. I’m sorry, I do not.
Assalamulikum,
I have been to various forums to get info on studying Arabic in Egypt. Jazak Allah Khair my brothers and sisters in islam, this has to be one of the best if not the best.
I live in Sydney.Inshallah I plan to go along with my wife to fajr for winter course commencing Dec 25th 2009. Does any one else plan to go at that time ? Also how should I go about finding accomodation. Should I go alone sort out the accomodation and then call my wife. If thats the case how feasible it is for me to get temporary accomodation for couple of days till I rent out the apartment?
Regards
Salamulaikum wrb
okay i have a place that i am renting for 900 LE, there are two of us here right next to fajr center…it is about 2 minute walk from the center…I have a roomate and we are looking for one more person…the rent will be around 300 LE…which comes out to about 60 dollars a month…it has two nice size rooms, one living room, bathroom, and small kitchen…it has fans on top of all rooms so i find it good palce to live in…I am just getting the contract today so please email me if you are interested in roomateing with us…
my email is: Decentpath@gmail.com
please provide your phone number if you have one…
Brother Ahmed, when do you need to fill this vacancy? I will arrive inshallah on 30th of July and I am looking for a place to stay and same price range. Anyone let me know inshallah.
my email is karimussery@hotmail.com
jazakumallah khairun
Asalamu’alayki ukht, is it possible for someone to study in 2 institutes, im not a proper beginner and have studied arabic before, therefore i wanted to take advantage of the grammar taught at al-ibaanah and the non-grammar/ conversational style at fajr, would this be possible? if the person has the time, dedication and hardwork? barakalahu feeki
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
You can probably take up the grammar/normal program at al-Ibanah and also request conversational classes with them to do on the side.
so you would recommend taking classes at al-ibanah as opposed to al-fajr?
Masha’Allah, jazakallahukhair, really good advise for those who intend to study abroad
Asalamualaikum wrwb
Does anyone know of any sisters from the UK travelling to Cairo in the near future inshAllah?
All reponses much appreciated.
assalaamu alaykum,
i emailed a few months back for advice, just wanted to thank you jazakillah khayran,
iv been here for a lil under 2 months now n picked up quite a bit alhamdulillah
Whoops, forgot all about the comments section here!
Abu Qudama, you’re welcome akhi. Good to hear about your progress.
For those interested, Rahma institute is located in the 9th district, I think in al-Qortoba’s old building.
Shaz, it’s probably better to go alone first and secure an apartment, then bring your family over. Perhaps you can arrange something with an agent before leaving (I can give you a contact), then stay at a hotel for a week etc.
Curious, in your case since you’re quite ahead already, it’s probably better to go for al-Ibanah
I apologise to the brothers who requested a contact swap during my absence. If you still require it, please let me know.
Waffaqakumullahu li kulli khayr.
Walikum salam sister fajr,
Thanks for your reply. I planned to do winter course but I cant leave before 23th december. Since you adviced me to go first and search for an aptartment before calling my wife, I will have to skip winter semester at fajr.
So inshallah will go in january , search for aptartment and call my wife. Please let me know sister fajr if its good to do this way. Also I would highly appreciate if you can prrovide me agent details for initial stay or for long term stay. If you know someone is renting out in December/Januaray please let me know.
Thanks.
as salaamu alikum
ahkhee abu qudama are u from america and how long are you staying in cairo? barakalaahu feekum
does anyone know ANYONE coming back to america from cairo any time soon?
asSalaamu’alaykum
Sister Fajr, what do you know about Rahma institue? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Also, how is District 9? Are there people who actually practise the Sunnah there?
BarakAllahu Feeki
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah
I don’t know much, had a friend who went there, that’s about it sorry! If you have specific questions I can perhaps ask her for you.
District 9 is ok, parts are still under construction and things are a bit quiet there. It’s very close to Hayy al-’Ashir (10th district) where there are more foreigners and I guess you can say a more practising community (but it also has higher crime and poverty).
Adem, Here’s the website for the Rahma Institute in District 9.
http://www.rahmaharabic.com/
know of two families who will be studying there in this week to come. I will try and post their experiences on here insha’Allah.
Just a correction, on the Rahma Institute website it says that they are based in District 10, not 9. Just wanted to clarify that.
Nadan that will be great inshaaAllah, JazakAllahu Khair.
JazakAllahu Khair Fajr for the information.
I do not recommend markaz rahmah. I’ve had bad experience with them. I’m a firm believer that it’s best to stick to markaz fajr or ibaanah and you wont go wrong. Anywhere else is a gamble.
so NOBODY knows anyone coming back to the states any time soon?
Abu Anonymous, can you please tell me what kind of bad experiences? BarakAllahu Feek.
If there are any sisters currently in Cairo looking an apartment, I know of a sister who lives near Markaz Fajr who’s looking for a flatmate. If interested, please leave a comment here.
Asalamualaykum wrwb
Just a few questions if one can answer inshAllah
1. Is coming to Cairo a good idea at this time of year?
2. Do classes at Fajr Centre stop throughout ramadan?
3. How different are the fasts in Cairo in comparison to UK?
4. Finaly what is the procedure to use a mobile phone in Cairo I assume none of the UK networks work over there?
If any sisters do intend to go please do let me know asap.
JazakAllah Khair for any answers in advance
wa`alaykum as salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
In response to your questions:
1] If you wish to spend ramadhan in a Muslim country then yes. However, in terms of studies then most centres/institutes will be closed. I believe Diwan and Sibawayh continue classes throughout Ramadhan. However, the plus side, is that perhaps with this time off it will give you time to get your self settled in, adjusted to your new surroundings and getting to know your way around.
2] Classes at Fajr centre (all branches) do stop. However, it’s not throughout all of Ramadhan. At the Nasr city branch it closes for the last ten days of ramadhan and there is an additional 5 days off for `Eed. The other branches of Markaz Fajr do not close for such a long duration but they do close (cant remember exactly how long).
3] Generally, Ramadhan is more beautiful in Egypt alhamdulillah. The heat does tire one out more. Qiyam ul-Layl is exceptionally beautiful ma sha’ Allah – way better than anything I have ever experienced in the UK. Sister Fajr wrote a pretty detailed, informative post here regarding Qiyam ul-Layl.
http://fajr.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/qiyaam-al-layl/
4] UK networks do work in Cairo. But you will be charged more. You will be charged to both make and receive calls. It’s better to just use a Egyptian network provider such as Mobinil or Vodaphone. It would also be a lot cheaper! More convenient too, as I strongly doubt anyone in Cairo would call you if they knew you wasn’t using a national network provider!
Wa iyyakum.
JazakAllah Khair for answer to these questions sis. Much appreciated!
Sis Fajr could you please email me regarding sharing accomadation with the sister, just require the basic details of where its located, how much rent, availability, facilities and how long does the sis intend to stay there inshAllah.
JazakAllah Khair
I could write a book on my experience with rahmah but Ill keep it short. Basically from what I’ve seen in Egypt it’s best to stick with established intstituions such as markaz fajr and ibaanah. They have produced results and they have the most organization and a set curriculum.
Many of these other insitutions with teach a student anything and they don’t track the student’s progress as well. At the above mentioned above they wont let you move on unless you pass the tests and the tests are not from the book but they are from the markaz.
Many ppl like trying thses other maraakiz because of the freedom and being able to pick which book etc… but these aren’t necessarily positive things. One of my former room mates went to a markaz and completed bayna yadayk book 2 within about 3 weeks or so. If this brother was to test in at fajr right now I don’t believe he’d make it to level 4. This is the downfall of this ” freedom.” I really dont recommend private study anyway for a myriad of reasons but it can be like being a student and a boss at the same time.
As far as my experience with Rahmah first they gave me a teacher who had a degree in shariah and was a good guy buy I felt like arabic was’nt in his heart. He would make many mistakes and he actually would use an arabic/arabic dictionary when i would ask him to further explain a word. They ended up giving me a new techer but he was crazy. His biggest concern was how I could bring him to America or hook him up with a wealthy american woman. He had knowledge of the lanuage but he couldn’t disseminate it very well. His cvharacter was horrible. I went to war with him about him not being paid for salat breaks and that was one issue the markaz did end up handling. He ended up becoming busy teaching private in students’ homes. He actually told me I was tiring him out and that he wanted to just teach his first student and thats it because he was making more outside the markaz.
The point is I experienced many problems with the markaz that I would’t have experienced with fajr and ibaanah. How do I know…? because i studied at far AND ibaanah.
So this is my experience and my opion and if anyone feels different or agrees please respond and let me know what you think.
is ANYONE coming from cairo or does anyone know someone returning to the states from cairo anytime soon? there has to be somebody
I’ll be coming back within 3-6 months…sorry if thats too long of a stay…
That’s cool. What city are you from? Sis fajr can u pls forward me the brother’s e-mail address.
Los angeles
Walikum salam sister fajr,
I planned to do winter course but I cant leave before 23th december. Since you adviced me to go first and search for an aptartment before calling my wife, I will have to skip winter semester at fajr.
So inshallah will go in january , search for aptartment and call my wife. Please let me know sister fajr if its good to do this way. Also I would highly appreciate if you can prrovide me agent details for initial stay or for long term stay. If you know someone is renting out in December/Januaray please let me know.
Thanks.
Wa `alaykumusalam wa rahmatullah,
Really, it’s up to you brother; if you don’t have time and you don’t want to miss the winter intensive, then you and your wife can always hire out a place on a short term lease and then move to a more suited place after settling in. I’ll try and email you a contact of an agent insha’Allah.
Jazak Allah Khair sister fajr,
Inshallah I will for your email for agent details. Also please keep an eye if there is any vacant flat. Inshallah I plan to come in January/February for 6- 8 months.
Thanks again
To those interested, apparently Qortoba will be opening again in Cairo after Ei-ul-Adha, though initially they will only be offering privates. That isn’t suitable for my budget so perhaps I’ll head to Fajr. Travelling beginning of Feb, inshallah ta’ala.
Qortoba have always been very helpful. If you want more info just drop them a line on their website.
Thanks Abdullah NZ,
Inshallah I am also going in first week of february to fajr. Did you sort out your accomodation etc ?
Regards,
Shezon
Asalamualaykum,
Are their any brothers who can help me with find a cheap appartment for december 2009 (near fajr instutite)?
I want to go for min 12 months.
Thanks.